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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 4362"><p>I had already use Charolais bulls with my commercial herd but with the full french blood bulls that I use we have calving problems (I sold 8 of those bulls in May and replace them with Simmentals), but still using 4 Charbray bulls(that are very large bulls). If I use black Angus I should sell the heifers too (don't like black) that's why I was looking for Reds (Brangus or Angus) even though I was already using Limousin. Just about ten days ago I bought two Red Brangus bulls that specifically I will use them with the less Brahman influence cows that I have in my commercial herd that way I will keep the heifers, also I'm just considering to give a try with South Devon bulls so I can have a more accurate comparison of the terminal cross calves.</p><p></p><p>In October I A.I. some Simbrah cows with Tarentaise and I'm anxious to see the calves.(I use Tarentaise because it's dual purpose black pigmented breed)</p><p></p><p>I really appreciate your comments and you really got the point of what I was talking about</p><p></p><p>> I may have missed some of your and</p><p>> subsequent poster's points --- but</p><p>> of course the pure Simmental-Angus</p><p>> cross that you refer to above has</p><p>> no Brahman influence at all, and</p><p>> your proposed Simbrah-Red Brangus</p><p>> cross maintains a 3/8 Brahman</p><p>> influence since both parents are</p><p>> 3/8 Brahman animals. Probably too</p><p>> much ear and hump to sell for top</p><p>> dollar in the feeder market. But</p><p>> if you are talking about crossing</p><p>> heifers that are the offspring of</p><p>> Simbrah-Red Brangus to a pure</p><p>> British or Continental bull you</p><p>> will of course wind up with a calf</p><p>> with only 3/16 Brahman influence,</p><p>> probably with "small"</p><p>> ears and no negligible hump and</p><p>> probably won't get docked much if</p><p>> any.</p><p></p><p>> You are in deep S. Texas and</p><p>> Northern Mexico as I recall. From</p><p>> what I can tell through my own</p><p>> observations and discussions with</p><p>> others I think in SE Texas black</p><p>> still sells about the best, along</p><p>> with those stocky calves that</p><p>> appear to be obvious Charolais</p><p>> crosses.</p><p></p><p>> And in fact many of those</p><p>> Charolais sired calves that sell</p><p>> in SE Texas have 1/4 Brahman</p><p>> influence since they have a tiger</p><p>> stripe momma (1/2 Hereford and 1/2</p><p>> Brahman). The ear and hump is</p><p>> essentially gone on those 1/4</p><p>> Brahman calves. I know you like</p><p>> the red in your herd, but for your</p><p>> terminal cross calves perhaps you</p><p>> should strongly consider Charolais</p><p>> bulls as well as black angus.</p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:aledelagt@yahoo.com">aledelagt@yahoo.com</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 4362"] I had already use Charolais bulls with my commercial herd but with the full french blood bulls that I use we have calving problems (I sold 8 of those bulls in May and replace them with Simmentals), but still using 4 Charbray bulls(that are very large bulls). If I use black Angus I should sell the heifers too (don't like black) that's why I was looking for Reds (Brangus or Angus) even though I was already using Limousin. Just about ten days ago I bought two Red Brangus bulls that specifically I will use them with the less Brahman influence cows that I have in my commercial herd that way I will keep the heifers, also I'm just considering to give a try with South Devon bulls so I can have a more accurate comparison of the terminal cross calves. In October I A.I. some Simbrah cows with Tarentaise and I'm anxious to see the calves.(I use Tarentaise because it's dual purpose black pigmented breed) I really appreciate your comments and you really got the point of what I was talking about > I may have missed some of your and > subsequent poster's points --- but > of course the pure Simmental-Angus > cross that you refer to above has > no Brahman influence at all, and > your proposed Simbrah-Red Brangus > cross maintains a 3/8 Brahman > influence since both parents are > 3/8 Brahman animals. Probably too > much ear and hump to sell for top > dollar in the feeder market. But > if you are talking about crossing > heifers that are the offspring of > Simbrah-Red Brangus to a pure > British or Continental bull you > will of course wind up with a calf > with only 3/16 Brahman influence, > probably with "small" > ears and no negligible hump and > probably won't get docked much if > any. > You are in deep S. Texas and > Northern Mexico as I recall. From > what I can tell through my own > observations and discussions with > others I think in SE Texas black > still sells about the best, along > with those stocky calves that > appear to be obvious Charolais > crosses. > And in fact many of those > Charolais sired calves that sell > in SE Texas have 1/4 Brahman > influence since they have a tiger > stripe momma (1/2 Hereford and 1/2 > Brahman). The ear and hump is > essentially gone on those 1/4 > Brahman calves. I know you like > the red in your herd, but for your > terminal cross calves perhaps you > should strongly consider Charolais > bulls as well as black angus. [email=aledelagt@yahoo.com]aledelagt@yahoo.com[/email] [/QUOTE]
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