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<blockquote data-quote="Rustler9" data-source="post: 260675" data-attributes="member: 440"><p>I agree that this is something that will probably affect every breed if it hasn't already, not just the Longhorn breed. I don't have a problem with clones or someone cloning as long as they are in a class by themselves in a show; as long as the animal is identified as a clone or a descendant of a clone (even if it's a few generations back in the pedigree) and as long as there's regulations as to an animal that is being sold (whether or not it's cells have been retained for cloning). That has to be made known up front.</p><p></p><p>I'm not really afraid of clones, although time will tell as to how they stand up to their natural born brothers and sisters. It will be interesting to see if the clones of Day's Feisty Fannie (for example-she was what 12 or 13 years old when they cloned her?) hold up as long as she does. These things haven't been around long enough to see what the long term effects will be. Will their lifespan be as long as an average Longhorn cow who usually lives up into teens and twenties? Will they be more susceptible to diseases and ailments than other cattle?</p><p></p><p>As Ryan and other Longhorn breeders on this board are already aware of, there is a controversy in our association over clones and how they will be handled in terms of showing, designation of their clone status on registration certificates and also designation of an animal that is sold-has this animal had cells taken before the sale to clone in the future or has this animal already been cloned? This will come up in other breed associations if it hasn't already and I would assume that it has.</p><p></p><p>Of course when this cloning thing first started many of these things had not been thought out or planned as this was and is a whole new frontier in the livestock industry. I personally wouldn't do it if I had the money to do it with. It is quite expensive although several breeders who are doing it are defending it because they are able to regulate what they will have born and can predict what it will become and of course it can and probably will be a better speciman that the animal that the clone cells were harvested from due to nutrition and conditions in which the animal will be reared. I don't think that this will ever have a huge impact on the Longhorn industry but I may be wrong. But, there are too many breeders who do not agree with the ethics of cloning-is it morally wrong to do this? as well as the unkowns about longevity that I've already mentioned, diseases etc. And just the costs of cloning. But to me the real reason that I don't want to do it even if I had the money to put into it is as a breeder and a lover of my breed of cattle I enjoy the challenge of mating this bloodline to that bloodline and the anticipation of what will be the result. Instant gratification is somewhat alluring but I draw the line there. Ok, let me step down. Next....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rustler9, post: 260675, member: 440"] I agree that this is something that will probably affect every breed if it hasn't already, not just the Longhorn breed. I don't have a problem with clones or someone cloning as long as they are in a class by themselves in a show; as long as the animal is identified as a clone or a descendant of a clone (even if it's a few generations back in the pedigree) and as long as there's regulations as to an animal that is being sold (whether or not it's cells have been retained for cloning). That has to be made known up front. I'm not really afraid of clones, although time will tell as to how they stand up to their natural born brothers and sisters. It will be interesting to see if the clones of Day's Feisty Fannie (for example-she was what 12 or 13 years old when they cloned her?) hold up as long as she does. These things haven't been around long enough to see what the long term effects will be. Will their lifespan be as long as an average Longhorn cow who usually lives up into teens and twenties? Will they be more susceptible to diseases and ailments than other cattle? As Ryan and other Longhorn breeders on this board are already aware of, there is a controversy in our association over clones and how they will be handled in terms of showing, designation of their clone status on registration certificates and also designation of an animal that is sold-has this animal had cells taken before the sale to clone in the future or has this animal already been cloned? This will come up in other breed associations if it hasn't already and I would assume that it has. Of course when this cloning thing first started many of these things had not been thought out or planned as this was and is a whole new frontier in the livestock industry. I personally wouldn't do it if I had the money to do it with. It is quite expensive although several breeders who are doing it are defending it because they are able to regulate what they will have born and can predict what it will become and of course it can and probably will be a better speciman that the animal that the clone cells were harvested from due to nutrition and conditions in which the animal will be reared. I don't think that this will ever have a huge impact on the Longhorn industry but I may be wrong. But, there are too many breeders who do not agree with the ethics of cloning-is it morally wrong to do this? as well as the unkowns about longevity that I've already mentioned, diseases etc. And just the costs of cloning. But to me the real reason that I don't want to do it even if I had the money to put into it is as a breeder and a lover of my breed of cattle I enjoy the challenge of mating this bloodline to that bloodline and the anticipation of what will be the result. Instant gratification is somewhat alluring but I draw the line there. Ok, let me step down. Next.... [/QUOTE]
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