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<blockquote data-quote="redcowsrule33" data-source="post: 673643" data-attributes="member: 8629"><p>You know, it probably wouldn't help, because I don't see hardly any shows going slick, anymore than I see poodle specialties requiring slick shearing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>People would exclude <em>themselves</em> as most shows <em>would</em> allow hair and who would shear off hair they spent a lot of time and money getting just to come to your show?</p><p></p><p>As far as the northern steers, my thought is to allow normal hair for the weather. My cattle at this time of year would look about the same slick shorn or not, but still grow long hair in the winter months.</p><p></p><p>The whole club calf thing has gotten a bit silly. In reality, we raise a functional steer that puts quality meat on the table. That steer has to withstand completely different environments to reach the end product than a show steer. I haven't seen too many air conditioned barns at the last few feedyards I've visited. To argue that these club calves actually represent real beef production is not practical. I see no problem with raising an animal that will grow tons of hair and look great after an hour and a half of fitting; there is a big profit in it for some people and that's the American way. As if all our breeders that sell bulls commercially are ethical. :roll: </p><p></p><p>If you want to win at these shows, you will have to play the game and do as the Romans do. If that bothers you, be happy with what you could accomplish under your own standards or find enough like-minded people and start a blue collar market steer competition that is separate from the club calves.</p><p></p><p>And before you get all riled up clubby people, I respect that you love what you breed and show and there is a real art and talent to it, just like anything else. But until you start talking about a bull's ribeye scan or feed efficiency along with the list of winners he has sired, we are comparing apples to oranges and are silly ourselves for arguing about it. I doubt you will see a similar discussion on a horse board about someone being upset that their best ranch quarterhorse didn't stand up in a halter class. Two different animals.</p><p></p><p>Get over it or start a revolution. Whining won't help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="redcowsrule33, post: 673643, member: 8629"] You know, it probably wouldn't help, because I don't see hardly any shows going slick, anymore than I see poodle specialties requiring slick shearing. People would exclude [i]themselves[/i] as most shows [i]would[/i] allow hair and who would shear off hair they spent a lot of time and money getting just to come to your show? As far as the northern steers, my thought is to allow normal hair for the weather. My cattle at this time of year would look about the same slick shorn or not, but still grow long hair in the winter months. The whole club calf thing has gotten a bit silly. In reality, we raise a functional steer that puts quality meat on the table. That steer has to withstand completely different environments to reach the end product than a show steer. I haven't seen too many air conditioned barns at the last few feedyards I've visited. To argue that these club calves actually represent real beef production is not practical. I see no problem with raising an animal that will grow tons of hair and look great after an hour and a half of fitting; there is a big profit in it for some people and that's the American way. As if all our breeders that sell bulls commercially are ethical. :roll: If you want to win at these shows, you will have to play the game and do as the Romans do. If that bothers you, be happy with what you could accomplish under your own standards or find enough like-minded people and start a blue collar market steer competition that is separate from the club calves. And before you get all riled up clubby people, I respect that you love what you breed and show and there is a real art and talent to it, just like anything else. But until you start talking about a bull's ribeye scan or feed efficiency along with the list of winners he has sired, we are comparing apples to oranges and are silly ourselves for arguing about it. I doubt you will see a similar discussion on a horse board about someone being upset that their best ranch quarterhorse didn't stand up in a halter class. Two different animals. Get over it or start a revolution. Whining won't help. [/QUOTE]
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