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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 711649" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>Aaron, as a beginner and cow-calf guy I think you are saying something very important and useful but not sure I understand you correctly.</p><p></p><p>You say above that you get $800 for yearlings in the spring "no matter what they weigh"and therefore you want to buy calves that will "hit the <strong><u>700 or 750 lb mark at a year of age</u></strong>"</p><p></p><p>I can see the logic of that given the "$800 no matter what" market you are selling into, but my goodness! Something does not compute here! Checking my weight records, so far my steers typically have a 205 day weaning wt around 650 lb and a yearling weight of 850-875 lb.</p><p></p><p>You mention BWF and I think you are also a Hereford guy. Isn't a BWF or Hereford steer that only weighs 700 or 750 as a true 365 day yearling either underfed or a runt?</p><p></p><p>Why are we working to breed good growth and milk for 600-650 lb 205 day WW if we are going to get penalized for calves that are sold over 475 lb ? And I am talking about grass only here, no creep.</p><p></p><p>I'm not doubting what you say, just amazed in that it doesn't make much sense to me. And I bet to HD.</p><p></p><p>So in order to sell you a 475 lb calf I have to rip them off of the cow at about 130-140 days and sell then to you in August at $1.26 ( x 475lb = your $600 which leaves you your $200 per $800 calf)? But even if I do that and assuming you feed them properly aren't they still going to end up near 900 at 365 days/yearling? The only way I can see you can hold them to 700-750 at a year is if you don't feed them very much, which on second thought, is maybe the backgrounder's goal...</p><p></p><p>Plan A: So if I sell you a 475 lb/135 day old calf in August for $1.26 that gives me $600 per calf. Which now that I think of it is the same as selling a 600 lb 205 day calf at $1 which is way above the US market this week. Hmmmm. </p><p></p><p>I just don't like the idea of weaning calves regularly at 135 days and selling them but maybe it makes economic sense. Either that or I have to take them all the way up to 1150 lb (Plan B) and sell them at .80 for $920 at 15 months/450 days? So I get $320 ($920 - your $600) for feeding them an additional 315 days (450-135 days) or about $1 per day gross income...or about breakeven? So really I make nothing (at this "current" price structure) for keeping him around for another 315 days so I might as well sell him to you at 135 days?.... (thinking out loud)</p><p></p><p>I don't really like either of these alternatives but maybe I am starting to see what you are talking about? Please correct me if I am missing something.... Maybe I need a plan C?</p><p></p><p>Thank you for the above post - please check my math and logic. </p><p></p><p>Jim</p><p></p><p>edit: So maybe my plan C should be to sell 750 lb yearlings in March for $800? This gives me $200 more than selling them to you for carrying them another 230 days? That is less than $1/day but at least I don't need finishing rations and can do it on grass... but still maybe breakeven or close to it. Not an obvious profit? And I'd probably need to restrict feed in a feedlot to hold them down to 750 lb...which is not my thing.</p><p></p><p>Or maybe Plan D: none of the above???</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 711649, member: 7509"] Aaron, as a beginner and cow-calf guy I think you are saying something very important and useful but not sure I understand you correctly. You say above that you get $800 for yearlings in the spring "no matter what they weigh"and therefore you want to buy calves that will "hit the [b][u]700 or 750 lb mark at a year of age[/u][/b]" I can see the logic of that given the "$800 no matter what" market you are selling into, but my goodness! Something does not compute here! Checking my weight records, so far my steers typically have a 205 day weaning wt around 650 lb and a yearling weight of 850-875 lb. You mention BWF and I think you are also a Hereford guy. Isn't a BWF or Hereford steer that only weighs 700 or 750 as a true 365 day yearling either underfed or a runt? Why are we working to breed good growth and milk for 600-650 lb 205 day WW if we are going to get penalized for calves that are sold over 475 lb ? And I am talking about grass only here, no creep. I'm not doubting what you say, just amazed in that it doesn't make much sense to me. And I bet to HD. So in order to sell you a 475 lb calf I have to rip them off of the cow at about 130-140 days and sell then to you in August at $1.26 ( x 475lb = your $600 which leaves you your $200 per $800 calf)? But even if I do that and assuming you feed them properly aren't they still going to end up near 900 at 365 days/yearling? The only way I can see you can hold them to 700-750 at a year is if you don't feed them very much, which on second thought, is maybe the backgrounder's goal... Plan A: So if I sell you a 475 lb/135 day old calf in August for $1.26 that gives me $600 per calf. Which now that I think of it is the same as selling a 600 lb 205 day calf at $1 which is way above the US market this week. Hmmmm. I just don't like the idea of weaning calves regularly at 135 days and selling them but maybe it makes economic sense. Either that or I have to take them all the way up to 1150 lb (Plan B) and sell them at .80 for $920 at 15 months/450 days? So I get $320 ($920 - your $600) for feeding them an additional 315 days (450-135 days) or about $1 per day gross income...or about breakeven? So really I make nothing (at this "current" price structure) for keeping him around for another 315 days so I might as well sell him to you at 135 days?.... (thinking out loud) I don't really like either of these alternatives but maybe I am starting to see what you are talking about? Please correct me if I am missing something.... Maybe I need a plan C? Thank you for the above post - please check my math and logic. Jim edit: So maybe my plan C should be to sell 750 lb yearlings in March for $800? This gives me $200 more than selling them to you for carrying them another 230 days? That is less than $1/day but at least I don't need finishing rations and can do it on grass... but still maybe breakeven or close to it. Not an obvious profit? And I'd probably need to restrict feed in a feedlot to hold them down to 750 lb...which is not my thing. Or maybe Plan D: none of the above??? [/QUOTE]
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