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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron" data-source="post: 711619" data-attributes="member: 1682"><p>HD, it does makes sense and it doesn't. Paying extra for weight that isn't there is one side of the argument (calf seller side). Paying more for heavier calves is a risky proposition (backgrounders).</p><p></p><p>I can see both sides because we do cow/calf and background calves as well.</p><p></p><p>The magic figure for yearlings is $800. Basically, no matter what happens, a backgrounder can count on $800 for yearlings sold in the spring, whether they are 680 or 1100 lbs. So ideally, as a backgrounder, I want calves that will hit the 700 to 750 lb mark at a year of age. Anymore weight and I am giving away free weight to my buyers. So if you have 700 lb calves and I pay a $1/lb. and it costs me $100 to winter them, where is my cut? They will sell around the 900-950 lb. mark for $800 cleared and I am sunk. I don't buy calves that are 600 lbs. or over. Light calves are hot for backgrounders and a little bit of a premium is paid by competition alone. Nothing I crave more than a package of whiteface calves in the 400-475 lb range. I want to make at least $200 on the calves I buy and sell as yearlings. I also want green, framey calves. No butter balls. Leave the creep feed at the store, because I'm not paying a premium. Also vaccinate. Nothing fancy. Killed vaccines are fine. I am going to re-vaccinate anyways. Age verifying is worth an extra couple cents in my book.</p><p></p><p>The local cattle association is starting to do vaccination protocol sales. Calves and yearlings in the program follow Pfizer's live vaccine Gold protocol. My calculations put the cost of drugs from conception to sale at over $10.00 per head. I bought 2 of the calves from this protocol and while they are good calves, they got heavily discounted for being over 550 lbs. (573) and I picked them up at .84/lb. It all comes down to weight. Meanwhile 350 lb calves under the same protocol were bringing $1.35 /lb.</p><p></p><p>One of my normal yearling grasser buyers bought a package of 7 steers at the local sale this spring. Weight was 715 and he paid $1.1150. I knew he was going to have a real hard time breaking even on those steers. He sold them Oct 3 and lost $1 on each one, having put 315 pounds on them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron, post: 711619, member: 1682"] HD, it does makes sense and it doesn't. Paying extra for weight that isn't there is one side of the argument (calf seller side). Paying more for heavier calves is a risky proposition (backgrounders). I can see both sides because we do cow/calf and background calves as well. The magic figure for yearlings is $800. Basically, no matter what happens, a backgrounder can count on $800 for yearlings sold in the spring, whether they are 680 or 1100 lbs. So ideally, as a backgrounder, I want calves that will hit the 700 to 750 lb mark at a year of age. Anymore weight and I am giving away free weight to my buyers. So if you have 700 lb calves and I pay a $1/lb. and it costs me $100 to winter them, where is my cut? They will sell around the 900-950 lb. mark for $800 cleared and I am sunk. I don't buy calves that are 600 lbs. or over. Light calves are hot for backgrounders and a little bit of a premium is paid by competition alone. Nothing I crave more than a package of whiteface calves in the 400-475 lb range. I want to make at least $200 on the calves I buy and sell as yearlings. I also want green, framey calves. No butter balls. Leave the creep feed at the store, because I'm not paying a premium. Also vaccinate. Nothing fancy. Killed vaccines are fine. I am going to re-vaccinate anyways. Age verifying is worth an extra couple cents in my book. The local cattle association is starting to do vaccination protocol sales. Calves and yearlings in the program follow Pfizer's live vaccine Gold protocol. My calculations put the cost of drugs from conception to sale at over $10.00 per head. I bought 2 of the calves from this protocol and while they are good calves, they got heavily discounted for being over 550 lbs. (573) and I picked them up at .84/lb. It all comes down to weight. Meanwhile 350 lb calves under the same protocol were bringing $1.35 /lb. One of my normal yearling grasser buyers bought a package of 7 steers at the local sale this spring. Weight was 715 and he paid $1.1150. I knew he was going to have a real hard time breaking even on those steers. He sold them Oct 3 and lost $1 on each one, having put 315 pounds on them. [/QUOTE]
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