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<blockquote data-quote="KNERSIE" data-source="post: 596316" data-attributes="member: 4353"><p>I start with the cows and identify the cows that work for me in my environment and look at their calves first. Calves out of those cows should be in the top half of the weaning weights anyhow. Correct structure, lots of capacity and good conformation as well as all the finer points are taken into consideration</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not neccesarily, not all calves' growth curve is a straight line,some grow faster up till 12 months and other start growing after that for instance. My heaviest weaning weights seldom equates to frame creep, but I don't have any more extremes in cow size in my herd left. The bulls I use are also moderate and I have usually seen lots of progeny in other herds so I more or less know what to expect before using them heavily. With experience of your own herd you'll soon see who weans heavy, but moderate calves without adding frame.</p><p></p><p>If you stick to only retaining calves out of cows adapted to your environment, mother nature will take care of the rest if you avoid obvious mistakes in bull selection</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's where accurate record keeping comes in, avoid those extremes at birth regardless what they do after birth to weaning.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Theoretically they play an equal role genetically. In reality the intra-uterine growth of the calf plays a big role too, so with that in mind the cow plays the bigger role in the short term. The genetics that you breed in from the bull's side quietly adds up so don't try and push your luck with the cows too far. You'll also find that some cows will have bigger BW than the average of the herd regardless which bull she is bred to, the opposite also applies.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Admirable, but not attainable goal. You'll soon see its more of a type that works than a weight in a given situation. The weight range that works for me is 1100 - 1350lbs, below that and there simply won't be enough bull for commercial purposes. That doesn't mean that I haven't had heavier cows that performed very admirably for me in the past.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The scale is a tool, just like EPDs and your eye, but all of that has to play second fiddle to common sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are overthinking the whole deal, (<strong>if you strictly cull open cows and don't create an artificial situation out of a feedbag</strong>), generally the best looking heifers at weaning will be those raised best by their dams, in other words the cows that worked best for you, they will also be the first calves born in the season and therefore the older calves, or in other words out of the cows that bred back first the previous season so you'll automatically also be selecting for fertility and the type of cow that can handle your management and conditions. </p><p></p><p>After you've done that you can look into the detail like BW, hard labour, faults, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KNERSIE, post: 596316, member: 4353"] I start with the cows and identify the cows that work for me in my environment and look at their calves first. Calves out of those cows should be in the top half of the weaning weights anyhow. Correct structure, lots of capacity and good conformation as well as all the finer points are taken into consideration Not neccesarily, not all calves' growth curve is a straight line,some grow faster up till 12 months and other start growing after that for instance. My heaviest weaning weights seldom equates to frame creep, but I don't have any more extremes in cow size in my herd left. The bulls I use are also moderate and I have usually seen lots of progeny in other herds so I more or less know what to expect before using them heavily. With experience of your own herd you'll soon see who weans heavy, but moderate calves without adding frame. If you stick to only retaining calves out of cows adapted to your environment, mother nature will take care of the rest if you avoid obvious mistakes in bull selection That's where accurate record keeping comes in, avoid those extremes at birth regardless what they do after birth to weaning. Theoretically they play an equal role genetically. In reality the intra-uterine growth of the calf plays a big role too, so with that in mind the cow plays the bigger role in the short term. The genetics that you breed in from the bull's side quietly adds up so don't try and push your luck with the cows too far. You'll also find that some cows will have bigger BW than the average of the herd regardless which bull she is bred to, the opposite also applies. Admirable, but not attainable goal. You'll soon see its more of a type that works than a weight in a given situation. The weight range that works for me is 1100 - 1350lbs, below that and there simply won't be enough bull for commercial purposes. That doesn't mean that I haven't had heavier cows that performed very admirably for me in the past. The scale is a tool, just like EPDs and your eye, but all of that has to play second fiddle to common sense. I think you are overthinking the whole deal, ([b]if you strictly cull open cows and don't create an artificial situation out of a feedbag[/b]), generally the best looking heifers at weaning will be those raised best by their dams, in other words the cows that worked best for you, they will also be the first calves born in the season and therefore the older calves, or in other words out of the cows that bred back first the previous season so you'll automatically also be selecting for fertility and the type of cow that can handle your management and conditions. After you've done that you can look into the detail like BW, hard labour, faults, etc. [/QUOTE]
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