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<blockquote data-quote="flounder" data-source="post: 202350" data-attributes="member: 3519"><p>karl wrote;</p><p></p><p>I'm not seeing the relavence of all this, Could you maybe summerize it. </p><p></p><p>=============================</p><p></p><p>greetings karl,</p><p></p><p>i will try and summerize the best i can. consumption of TSE tainted products i.e. in this case bse i.e. 'subclinical' incubating the TSE/BSE agent via consumption and then transmitting via 'friendly fire' via a multitude of proven routes and sources via the medical and surgical arena. in other words, IF you eat some TSE tainted products and then before ever going clinical and only by incubating this agent, you go and have surgery or donate blood and pass this agent to other humans and not even know you did this. the most dusturbing study i have seen to date, and probably one of the oldest, and this is with the infamous sCJD's (even more important), was from the late Dr. Gibbs, you need to read this twice to get the full effects. i know some of you, if not most of you think i am either crazy and or from some anti-beef organization, but this is simply not the case, i am only here to try and educate some of you folks on something i wish i had never ever seen and or heard of, and i bet now so do you ;-) i know everyones mentality here is on the ukbsenvCJD only theory, but ponder this, if BSE came from the transmission of scrapie infected sheep via rendering and feed, which strain was it, there are over 20 documented strains of scrapie, and they all do not act the same via transmission studies. back to friendly fire, don't want to loose you, but here is the short version of the study i was speaking of ;</p><p></p><p></p><p>1: J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1994 Jun;57(6):757-8</p><p></p><p> Transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease to a chimpanzee by electrodes contaminated during neurosurgery.</p><p></p><p> Gibbs CJ Jr, Asher DM, Kobrine A, Amyx HL, Sulima MP, Gajdusek DC.</p><p></p><p> Laboratory of Central Nervous System Studies, National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892.</p><p></p><p> Stereotactic multicontact electrodes used to probe the cerebral cortex of a middle aged woman with progressive dementia were previously implicated in the accidental transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) to two younger patients. The diagnoses of CJD have been confirmed for all three cases. More than two years after their last use in humans, after three cleanings and repeated sterilisation in ethanol and formaldehyde vapour, the electrodes were implanted in the cortex of a chimpanzee. Eighteen months later the animal became ill with CJD. This finding serves to re-emphasise the potential danger posed by reuse of instruments contaminated with the agents of spongiform encephalopathies, even after scrupulous attempts to clean them.</p><p></p><p>PMID: 8006664 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]</p><p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8006664&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>were not talking about the common cold here folks and let me get back to old frenchie here cause i dont want to loose him either, but yes, it may seem to date that more folks die from car wrecks, i concur :shock: but again, and this time the short version only, don't want to take up to much space here, but my mom did not die in a car wreck, she died from the Heidenhain Vairant of CJD, confirmed. my neighbors mother died from cjd also exactly to the day my mom did, one year previously, so i am very well aware of all forms of CJD. bottom line is the incubation is very long, but it's catching up. the disturbing factor of this mathematical formula is that in the USA, it is still amplifying and spreading, via different species and this is the most disturbing factor. no, science has not answered all the questions, but many have been answered, and those answers have been ignored for years and years. i dont blame you guys........and gals. it's the usda/aphis/fsis/fda/cdc/nih et al i blame. </p><p></p><p>short version only, i will not mention the nightmare in NY now with all that tissue and organs that were stolen from the dead without any sort of, never mind that :roll: you may not think this has nothing to do with you folks, but it does and i cannot explain it here in one paragraph, but once you have been exposed via consumption, you can pass the agent and not even know it, expose and kill others, and you may never even know it while being the carrier. Ladies and Gentleman, that is disturbing to me. ...</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.mad-cow.org/dec99_news.html#bbb" target="_blank">http://www.mad-cow.org/dec99_news.html#bbb</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>but yes, frenchie is correct as far as the documentation of the dead from TSE and all there proven routes and sources compared to car wrecks and the dead from them. dead from car wrecks are documented on the spot, the dead from human TSE, some never get documented, its not reportable but in only about half the states, and that is just recently and that in some cases is just in a certain age group, like 55 and under. one of the most rediculous things myself and others familiar with this disease have ever heard. sCJD kills much faster in most circumstances than the nvCJD, both can be transmitted via the medical and surgical arena, so why is the concern only with the nvCJD??? does not make any sense, especially if you look at this;</p><p></p><p>BASE in cattle in Italy of Identification of a</p><p>second bovine amyloidotic spongiform encephalopathy: Molecular</p><p>similarities with sporadic</p><p></p><p>Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0305777101v1" target="_blank">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0305777101v1</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>NOW, you ask, terry, what the hell does this have to do with the USA? very simple, and i hope i have not lost you by now, and i will spare you the documents proving this, but let me know if you would like to see them again, but the USA scrapie transmission studies of mission texas did not produce any uk bse like tse in cattle, nope, it was atypical, and how could it? the usa has been rendering and feeding to animals for human consumption, for decades, a recipe like no other, even more tainted than the UK, the USA has been rendering and feeding back to animals for human and animal consumption, not only scrapie infected sheep, but also CWD infected deer and elk, and to a much smaller extent, TME infected mink. so, the USA is in a very unique situation. ...</p><p></p><p>kind regards,</p><p>terry</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="flounder, post: 202350, member: 3519"] karl wrote; I'm not seeing the relavence of all this, Could you maybe summerize it. ============================= greetings karl, i will try and summerize the best i can. consumption of TSE tainted products i.e. in this case bse i.e. 'subclinical' incubating the TSE/BSE agent via consumption and then transmitting via 'friendly fire' via a multitude of proven routes and sources via the medical and surgical arena. in other words, IF you eat some TSE tainted products and then before ever going clinical and only by incubating this agent, you go and have surgery or donate blood and pass this agent to other humans and not even know you did this. the most dusturbing study i have seen to date, and probably one of the oldest, and this is with the infamous sCJD's (even more important), was from the late Dr. Gibbs, you need to read this twice to get the full effects. i know some of you, if not most of you think i am either crazy and or from some anti-beef organization, but this is simply not the case, i am only here to try and educate some of you folks on something i wish i had never ever seen and or heard of, and i bet now so do you ;-) i know everyones mentality here is on the ukbsenvCJD only theory, but ponder this, if BSE came from the transmission of scrapie infected sheep via rendering and feed, which strain was it, there are over 20 documented strains of scrapie, and they all do not act the same via transmission studies. back to friendly fire, don't want to loose you, but here is the short version of the study i was speaking of ; 1: J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1994 Jun;57(6):757-8 Transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease to a chimpanzee by electrodes contaminated during neurosurgery. Gibbs CJ Jr, Asher DM, Kobrine A, Amyx HL, Sulima MP, Gajdusek DC. Laboratory of Central Nervous System Studies, National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892. Stereotactic multicontact electrodes used to probe the cerebral cortex of a middle aged woman with progressive dementia were previously implicated in the accidental transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) to two younger patients. The diagnoses of CJD have been confirmed for all three cases. More than two years after their last use in humans, after three cleanings and repeated sterilisation in ethanol and formaldehyde vapour, the electrodes were implanted in the cortex of a chimpanzee. Eighteen months later the animal became ill with CJD. This finding serves to re-emphasise the potential danger posed by reuse of instruments contaminated with the agents of spongiform encephalopathies, even after scrupulous attempts to clean them. PMID: 8006664 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8006664&dopt=Abstract]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract[/url] were not talking about the common cold here folks and let me get back to old frenchie here cause i dont want to loose him either, but yes, it may seem to date that more folks die from car wrecks, i concur :shock: but again, and this time the short version only, don't want to take up to much space here, but my mom did not die in a car wreck, she died from the Heidenhain Vairant of CJD, confirmed. my neighbors mother died from cjd also exactly to the day my mom did, one year previously, so i am very well aware of all forms of CJD. bottom line is the incubation is very long, but it's catching up. the disturbing factor of this mathematical formula is that in the USA, it is still amplifying and spreading, via different species and this is the most disturbing factor. no, science has not answered all the questions, but many have been answered, and those answers have been ignored for years and years. i dont blame you guys........and gals. it's the usda/aphis/fsis/fda/cdc/nih et al i blame. short version only, i will not mention the nightmare in NY now with all that tissue and organs that were stolen from the dead without any sort of, never mind that :roll: you may not think this has nothing to do with you folks, but it does and i cannot explain it here in one paragraph, but once you have been exposed via consumption, you can pass the agent and not even know it, expose and kill others, and you may never even know it while being the carrier. Ladies and Gentleman, that is disturbing to me. ... [url=http://www.mad-cow.org/dec99_news.html#bbb]http://www.mad-cow.org/dec99_news.html#bbb[/url] but yes, frenchie is correct as far as the documentation of the dead from TSE and all there proven routes and sources compared to car wrecks and the dead from them. dead from car wrecks are documented on the spot, the dead from human TSE, some never get documented, its not reportable but in only about half the states, and that is just recently and that in some cases is just in a certain age group, like 55 and under. one of the most rediculous things myself and others familiar with this disease have ever heard. sCJD kills much faster in most circumstances than the nvCJD, both can be transmitted via the medical and surgical arena, so why is the concern only with the nvCJD??? does not make any sense, especially if you look at this; BASE in cattle in Italy of Identification of a second bovine amyloidotic spongiform encephalopathy: Molecular similarities with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease [url=http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0305777101v1]http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0305777101v1[/url] NOW, you ask, terry, what the hell does this have to do with the USA? very simple, and i hope i have not lost you by now, and i will spare you the documents proving this, but let me know if you would like to see them again, but the USA scrapie transmission studies of mission texas did not produce any uk bse like tse in cattle, nope, it was atypical, and how could it? the usa has been rendering and feeding to animals for human consumption, for decades, a recipe like no other, even more tainted than the UK, the USA has been rendering and feeding back to animals for human and animal consumption, not only scrapie infected sheep, but also CWD infected deer and elk, and to a much smaller extent, TME infected mink. so, the USA is in a very unique situation. ... kind regards, terry [/QUOTE]
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