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<blockquote data-quote="boondocks" data-source="post: 1397974" data-attributes="member: 20599"><p>Well have we :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: enough? </p><p> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p>I've taken minutes of this meeting; if I may be so bold as to summarize:</p><p>Many, maybe even most, of us here agree that folks had it very very rough during the early period of industrialization, and that unions allowed for collective bargaining which helped level the playing field back a little bit, leading to such niceties many of us enjoy today, such as safer working conditions; fair (or fair-ish) pay, including OT where applicable; and a day or two off now and then to mess with cows. (The latter applying to those with off-farm jobs).</p><p></p><p>Many, if not most, of us agree that at some indeterminate point (say, between 1960-1975?) many unions overplayed their hand; this combined with globalization to lead to the whittling-away of support of the rank-and-file for unions. (We likely do not have a consensus as to whether we need to further destroy the unions now; or instead to reform, maintain or strengthen them, perhaps in conjunction with dialing back trade agreements with countries which do not offer safe working conditions; a living wage; and basic environmental standards).</p><p></p><p>Then there's the outlier or two that think Ayn Rand is the Creator Of All Things Good, and that the captains of industry have been horribly exploited by the wretched masses.</p><p>Any corrections to the Minutes?</p><p> :hide:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boondocks, post: 1397974, member: 20599"] Well have we :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: enough? :D I've taken minutes of this meeting; if I may be so bold as to summarize: Many, maybe even most, of us here agree that folks had it very very rough during the early period of industrialization, and that unions allowed for collective bargaining which helped level the playing field back a little bit, leading to such niceties many of us enjoy today, such as safer working conditions; fair (or fair-ish) pay, including OT where applicable; and a day or two off now and then to mess with cows. (The latter applying to those with off-farm jobs). Many, if not most, of us agree that at some indeterminate point (say, between 1960-1975?) many unions overplayed their hand; this combined with globalization to lead to the whittling-away of support of the rank-and-file for unions. (We likely do not have a consensus as to whether we need to further destroy the unions now; or instead to reform, maintain or strengthen them, perhaps in conjunction with dialing back trade agreements with countries which do not offer safe working conditions; a living wage; and basic environmental standards). Then there's the outlier or two that think Ayn Rand is the Creator Of All Things Good, and that the captains of industry have been horribly exploited by the wretched masses. Any corrections to the Minutes? :hide: [/QUOTE]
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