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<blockquote data-quote="cowtrek" data-source="post: 413795" data-attributes="member: 2847"><p>I hate guys like that. Their word is absolutely worthless and so in my eyes that makes them just about as worthless. That is why you can't take folks at their word anymore for any more than you're willing to lose. The guy sounds like an opportunist looking to make a buck off anybody and everybody he can sucker into a deal and twist it around on them. </p><p></p><p>We used to do custom combining for a guy like this. He made all kinds of promises about how we could cut his grain every year and it'd be win-win. He needed haulers (this was the 70's) and so we lined up a family friend to haul at .25 cents/cwt for him with his bobtail truck. We bought at brand new $12,000 combine and he bought a $10,000 Big 12 auger cart and we went to work. Well, guess what? The guy found another guy willing to haul a little cheaper so he ran our friend off, then he found a guy who over contracted on grain who offered to cut his grain for free and pay market price to fill his contract. At 2 pm that afternoon it was 'sorry I don't need you anymore, yall can take your machine home'. So now we had a big combine note and lost our main custom job. This guy was a big farmer and wanted us to take on his work because he didn't want to get hot and dusty combining his own grain, and we were small farmers and wouldn't have bought a big new combine if we couldn't pay for it with custom work. To top it off, the guy went to the same church my Grandpa did. After the season, he bought a brand new Cadillac to show off how much money he made. Thankfully the Lord was looking out for us and we picked up enough custom jobs to pay the machine off. This guy got the reputation that, as one of his neighbors at the coffee shop told me one time, "he'd cut his own mother's throat to rent another hundred acres out from under you". The guy had tried to rent his neighbor's farm right out from under him by appealing to his mother to rent the farm to him and put her own son off the place. Guys like this get what's coming to them eventually. He went broke a few years ago and is long gone. </p><p></p><p>I've got a 'foriegn' neighbor up the road (sandy fellow from one of the "Jerkistans") who sent his son over to BEG me to bale hay for him when I was baling another neighbors field across the road. Slick talk and slick promises and all that. I was noncomittal. The elderly gentleman I was baling for had come out to the field to watch me bale and told me after the young guy left "watch him, he asks every custom guy I hire to come bale for him and then he refuses to pay them when the job's done." I checked around and found this to be true. Guess that's why he had an 8 foot cyclone fence around his place like an Al Quaida training camp. I also found out that's the typical way of doing business in whatever Jerkistan he came from. The guy got the reputation and NOBODY would deal with him at all. Thankfully the guy is long gone now. </p><p></p><p>The one thing I've learned is that no deal is better than a bad deal. I simply refuse to do business with a guy with a sh!tty reputation no matter how lucrative it appears. I try my best to keep my word on every deal or make it right if for some reason I can't and I don't expect anything less from the other side. You said this is so close to home and such a win-win, but being in the hole at the end of the day doesn't sound very win-win to me. Personally I'd rather haul my hay another 15-20 miles than get screwed over by a lousy nieghbor you can't trust. Better to be out $40/acre than a couple thousand but still a crook's a crook and I personally won't do business with them. Good luck! OL JR <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cowtrek, post: 413795, member: 2847"] I hate guys like that. Their word is absolutely worthless and so in my eyes that makes them just about as worthless. That is why you can't take folks at their word anymore for any more than you're willing to lose. The guy sounds like an opportunist looking to make a buck off anybody and everybody he can sucker into a deal and twist it around on them. We used to do custom combining for a guy like this. He made all kinds of promises about how we could cut his grain every year and it'd be win-win. He needed haulers (this was the 70's) and so we lined up a family friend to haul at .25 cents/cwt for him with his bobtail truck. We bought at brand new $12,000 combine and he bought a $10,000 Big 12 auger cart and we went to work. Well, guess what? The guy found another guy willing to haul a little cheaper so he ran our friend off, then he found a guy who over contracted on grain who offered to cut his grain for free and pay market price to fill his contract. At 2 pm that afternoon it was 'sorry I don't need you anymore, yall can take your machine home'. So now we had a big combine note and lost our main custom job. This guy was a big farmer and wanted us to take on his work because he didn't want to get hot and dusty combining his own grain, and we were small farmers and wouldn't have bought a big new combine if we couldn't pay for it with custom work. To top it off, the guy went to the same church my Grandpa did. After the season, he bought a brand new Cadillac to show off how much money he made. Thankfully the Lord was looking out for us and we picked up enough custom jobs to pay the machine off. This guy got the reputation that, as one of his neighbors at the coffee shop told me one time, "he'd cut his own mother's throat to rent another hundred acres out from under you". The guy had tried to rent his neighbor's farm right out from under him by appealing to his mother to rent the farm to him and put her own son off the place. Guys like this get what's coming to them eventually. He went broke a few years ago and is long gone. I've got a 'foriegn' neighbor up the road (sandy fellow from one of the "Jerkistans") who sent his son over to BEG me to bale hay for him when I was baling another neighbors field across the road. Slick talk and slick promises and all that. I was noncomittal. The elderly gentleman I was baling for had come out to the field to watch me bale and told me after the young guy left "watch him, he asks every custom guy I hire to come bale for him and then he refuses to pay them when the job's done." I checked around and found this to be true. Guess that's why he had an 8 foot cyclone fence around his place like an Al Quaida training camp. I also found out that's the typical way of doing business in whatever Jerkistan he came from. The guy got the reputation and NOBODY would deal with him at all. Thankfully the guy is long gone now. The one thing I've learned is that no deal is better than a bad deal. I simply refuse to do business with a guy with a sh!tty reputation no matter how lucrative it appears. I try my best to keep my word on every deal or make it right if for some reason I can't and I don't expect anything less from the other side. You said this is so close to home and such a win-win, but being in the hole at the end of the day doesn't sound very win-win to me. Personally I'd rather haul my hay another 15-20 miles than get screwed over by a lousy nieghbor you can't trust. Better to be out $40/acre than a couple thousand but still a crook's a crook and I personally won't do business with them. Good luck! OL JR :) [/QUOTE]
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