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<blockquote data-quote="IluvABbeef" data-source="post: 666579" data-attributes="member: 3739"><p>I wouldn't know about the change in pH because I doubt if we've ever taken any soil samples from any of our pastures, just in the fields. The type of soil around here is pretty much uniform, except for wet areas with more loamy soil and then the high spots which are more clayey (as you can already tell, we have more clayey soils up here; more of a clay-loam mix). Now that's out in the open. In with the black spruce or swamp spruce, whichever you want to call it, I have no doubt that the pH would change with a more evergreen terrain. Where I notice the dandelions is outside of the spruce woods, and in the clearings, not in with the spruce. But the thing is is that I just wonder if the pH of the soil is still acidic even beyond the reach of the spruce's branches, like a few feet out from the diameter of the tree? Now that's spruce. For aspen and poplar, I'm certain the soil would be about the same since they're adaptability to the boreal-type soil, at least to the point if the soil ain't too acidic for them. Dandelions also have no trouble growing beside aspens and poplar groves I notice.</p><p></p><p>The allelopathic ability of dandelions really makes sense, because of the areas found around home here that have just a patch of dandelions with barely a blade of grass. Not in the lawn of course, thank goodness, but mostly here and there occaisonally in the pasture and hayfields. I haven't done much research on the spruce tree effects of different plants, so I couldn't give you an answer to that. </p><p></p><p>Now here's something that raised my eyebrows from another forum: the poster said that dandelions are an indicator of poor calcium in the soil. I found it interesting, but I'm skeptical if it's true or not. Steve, I really can see about the lack in nitrogen though; dandelion's won't grow where there's an abundance of alfalfa. A little different for the bunch of clover we have on one pasture though... :? </p><p></p><p>Dandelions are just so weird.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IluvABbeef, post: 666579, member: 3739"] I wouldn't know about the change in pH because I doubt if we've ever taken any soil samples from any of our pastures, just in the fields. The type of soil around here is pretty much uniform, except for wet areas with more loamy soil and then the high spots which are more clayey (as you can already tell, we have more clayey soils up here; more of a clay-loam mix). Now that's out in the open. In with the black spruce or swamp spruce, whichever you want to call it, I have no doubt that the pH would change with a more evergreen terrain. Where I notice the dandelions is outside of the spruce woods, and in the clearings, not in with the spruce. But the thing is is that I just wonder if the pH of the soil is still acidic even beyond the reach of the spruce's branches, like a few feet out from the diameter of the tree? Now that's spruce. For aspen and poplar, I'm certain the soil would be about the same since they're adaptability to the boreal-type soil, at least to the point if the soil ain't too acidic for them. Dandelions also have no trouble growing beside aspens and poplar groves I notice. The allelopathic ability of dandelions really makes sense, because of the areas found around home here that have just a patch of dandelions with barely a blade of grass. Not in the lawn of course, thank goodness, but mostly here and there occaisonally in the pasture and hayfields. I haven't done much research on the spruce tree effects of different plants, so I couldn't give you an answer to that. Now here's something that raised my eyebrows from another forum: the poster said that dandelions are an indicator of poor calcium in the soil. I found it interesting, but I'm skeptical if it's true or not. Steve, I really can see about the lack in nitrogen though; dandelion's won't grow where there's an abundance of alfalfa. A little different for the bunch of clover we have on one pasture though... :? Dandelions are just so weird. [/QUOTE]
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