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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1652873" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Well, there are other factors besides black hides, that are measured for a carcass to be scored CAB. Like marbling. Many purebred Holsteins may be more than 50% black, but their carcasses won't get the CAB label. On DNA testing for CAB, is there a DNA test that the results would be instantaneous? Or like a 48 hour turn around? There would have to be, in order for red Angus to get the CAB label, as awarded at processing. But even if there was what would it benefit the AAA to allow red angus carcasses to receive the CAB certification? I actually think, that the 2 registries are better than a co-mingled registry would be. There is no denying the awesome success of the AAA, and its focus on producing homozygous black Angus cattle. And I think their CAB is a plus for red angus as well. Red Angus definitely can possess the carcass qualities needed for CAB.. as much if not more than their black cousins. Red angus cows bred to homozygous black bulls. of any breed, can produce awesome CAB qualified steers. Red Angus x Red Hereford red baldies, make awesome momma cows, and again, bred with homozygous black bulls, will produce CAB qualified calves possessing ultimate hybrid vigor. Yeah, you might take a little ass-whooping on the red baldy steers, but the red baldy heifers should make as good a brood cow as a black baldy, when bred with homozygous black bulls of any breed. This was the whole ideal behind the development of the Black Hereford breed.. to eliminate the ass-whooping on the red baldy steers, if your bull is heterozygous black. And, to give you a black baldy cow that you could be confident would throw a black calf. If I were going to start put again today raising commercial cattle, around here I could buy red baldy..red angus x red hereford....cows and heifers for less money than a black baldy. And, when bred to a homozygous black Angus, or Brangus or Black Hereford or black Simmental bull, the calves would be the same as calves from a black baldy cow...still CAB qualified, but with a lower input cost. Man, I have enjoyed this whole conversation with you, carried over in 3 or 4 different threads. I recognize the controversy and discourse between cattlemen over the AAA., the Red Angus association, and the Black Herefords. I acknowledge that there are negatives about all 3 programs...nothing will be 100% suitable to 100% of the people. And, the negatives about any of the 3, that breeders may bring up, are not without merit. All things considered ( and I do consider and think about,. and try to understand views different from mine) I do think the red angus having a registry is a good thing. And, that the development of the Black Hereford as a separate breed is a good thing...especially with the enormous success of the AAA's CAB program. And, I personally think that closing the AAA books to red Angus, has proven to be a good move.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1652873, member: 40587"] Well, there are other factors besides black hides, that are measured for a carcass to be scored CAB. Like marbling. Many purebred Holsteins may be more than 50% black, but their carcasses won't get the CAB label. On DNA testing for CAB, is there a DNA test that the results would be instantaneous? Or like a 48 hour turn around? There would have to be, in order for red Angus to get the CAB label, as awarded at processing. But even if there was what would it benefit the AAA to allow red angus carcasses to receive the CAB certification? I actually think, that the 2 registries are better than a co-mingled registry would be. There is no denying the awesome success of the AAA, and its focus on producing homozygous black Angus cattle. And I think their CAB is a plus for red angus as well. Red Angus definitely can possess the carcass qualities needed for CAB.. as much if not more than their black cousins. Red angus cows bred to homozygous black bulls. of any breed, can produce awesome CAB qualified steers. Red Angus x Red Hereford red baldies, make awesome momma cows, and again, bred with homozygous black bulls, will produce CAB qualified calves possessing ultimate hybrid vigor. Yeah, you might take a little ass-whooping on the red baldy steers, but the red baldy heifers should make as good a brood cow as a black baldy, when bred with homozygous black bulls of any breed. This was the whole ideal behind the development of the Black Hereford breed.. to eliminate the ass-whooping on the red baldy steers, if your bull is heterozygous black. And, to give you a black baldy cow that you could be confident would throw a black calf. If I were going to start put again today raising commercial cattle, around here I could buy red baldy..red angus x red hereford....cows and heifers for less money than a black baldy. And, when bred to a homozygous black Angus, or Brangus or Black Hereford or black Simmental bull, the calves would be the same as calves from a black baldy cow...still CAB qualified, but with a lower input cost. Man, I have enjoyed this whole conversation with you, carried over in 3 or 4 different threads. I recognize the controversy and discourse between cattlemen over the AAA., the Red Angus association, and the Black Herefords. I acknowledge that there are negatives about all 3 programs...nothing will be 100% suitable to 100% of the people. And, the negatives about any of the 3, that breeders may bring up, are not without merit. All things considered ( and I do consider and think about,. and try to understand views different from mine) I do think the red angus having a registry is a good thing. And, that the development of the Black Hereford as a separate breed is a good thing...especially with the enormous success of the AAA's CAB program. And, I personally think that closing the AAA books to red Angus, has proven to be a good move. [/QUOTE]
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