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<blockquote data-quote="Nesikep" data-source="post: 1652590" data-attributes="member: 9096"><p>the thing is, when you're keeping from your own herd, assuming you've gotten rid of intolerable defects, whatever those are, you aren't going to re-introduce them... I'll take Hereford cattle as an example for me because there's no shortage of defects in the breed that I won't put up with, bad feet, udders and prolapses being the top complaints... If I've spent 20 years weeding out the problems from my momma cows, in the management system I have, I sure don't want to bring in any of those bad traits again... Sure, the outside bull I bring in may be a great bull IN HIS MANAGEMENT system, maybe if they walk 10 miles a day the bad feet will never show up, maybe if they're eating bunchgrass they'll never have bad udders because they don't have the nutrition to make a lot of milk, but in MY system those traits are put to the test! </p><p>The question then is what are you willing to give up to gain somewhere else? are you willing to trade off 3 years of productive life from the momma cow for 30 lbs weaning weight? Maybe you're trading docility for something else.</p><p></p><p>I've bought 2 purebred bulls in the past that I have culled off EVERY daughter from, and paid good money for them too! The last Limo I bought is down to 2 daughters in the herd, the rest of them looked like a can of smashed arseholes by fall, and a good number of them had prolapse issues</p><p></p><p>My own bulls aren't perfect, I'd like to see a bit lower BWs and deeper chests on the calves, but they ain't doing bad either, they also know my "rules", they don't break fences, etc... I'll continue to keep the best of them intact from known good cows, but I'll also buy a good bull here and there</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nesikep, post: 1652590, member: 9096"] the thing is, when you're keeping from your own herd, assuming you've gotten rid of intolerable defects, whatever those are, you aren't going to re-introduce them... I'll take Hereford cattle as an example for me because there's no shortage of defects in the breed that I won't put up with, bad feet, udders and prolapses being the top complaints... If I've spent 20 years weeding out the problems from my momma cows, in the management system I have, I sure don't want to bring in any of those bad traits again... Sure, the outside bull I bring in may be a great bull IN HIS MANAGEMENT system, maybe if they walk 10 miles a day the bad feet will never show up, maybe if they're eating bunchgrass they'll never have bad udders because they don't have the nutrition to make a lot of milk, but in MY system those traits are put to the test! The question then is what are you willing to give up to gain somewhere else? are you willing to trade off 3 years of productive life from the momma cow for 30 lbs weaning weight? Maybe you're trading docility for something else. I've bought 2 purebred bulls in the past that I have culled off EVERY daughter from, and paid good money for them too! The last Limo I bought is down to 2 daughters in the herd, the rest of them looked like a can of smashed arseholes by fall, and a good number of them had prolapse issues My own bulls aren't perfect, I'd like to see a bit lower BWs and deeper chests on the calves, but they ain't doing bad either, they also know my "rules", they don't break fences, etc... I'll continue to keep the best of them intact from known good cows, but I'll also buy a good bull here and there [/QUOTE]
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