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<blockquote data-quote="Commercialfarmer" data-source="post: 1200273" data-attributes="member: 14544"><p>I agree with Joe, but weather has to cooperate during brooding season as well. </p><p></p><p>Lot of biologists claim predator numbers are a low factor, but I don't buy that. They also tell me mountain lions don't exist in Oklahoma, and I've seen 3 myself. </p><p></p><p>People kept hawk numbers in check years ago, and fur bearers were more scarce. About every section has a pack of coyotes. All those mouths add up, especially when numbers are scarce.</p><p></p><p>But weather I think is just as important as environment.</p><p></p><p>Bermuda is destroying numbers around here as much as anything. A lot of old native and blue stem has been seeded to Bermuda. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Had a good hatch this year compared to years past, buy they've been so hurt that 100% increase of a 5% stocking rate just isn't much. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have data CB, but I have some serious thoughts that people introducing smaller and flightier birds changed the genetics enough that they aren't selected to match the environment. I think it's like dumping a highlander in Texas and expecting them to keep up with long horn reproduction. They just don't have the same skills. </p><p></p><p>I was young, but remember my old dog was the king of stopping birds on the run. He'd break off on a dead run and circle them wide. He'd work his way back to you and hold them. They weren't quick to fly. Twenty years later, they are smaller, the breast meat is red tinged, not white and their leg muscles don't look like Earl Campbell's. They are quicker to hold and fly vs try to out run you. I think this favors the predators.</p><p></p><p>This is all just opinion, but I suspect their is some validity to at least part if not all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Commercialfarmer, post: 1200273, member: 14544"] I agree with Joe, but weather has to cooperate during brooding season as well. Lot of biologists claim predator numbers are a low factor, but I don't buy that. They also tell me mountain lions don't exist in Oklahoma, and I've seen 3 myself. People kept hawk numbers in check years ago, and fur bearers were more scarce. About every section has a pack of coyotes. All those mouths add up, especially when numbers are scarce. But weather I think is just as important as environment. Bermuda is destroying numbers around here as much as anything. A lot of old native and blue stem has been seeded to Bermuda. Had a good hatch this year compared to years past, buy they've been so hurt that 100% increase of a 5% stocking rate just isn't much. I don't have data CB, but I have some serious thoughts that people introducing smaller and flightier birds changed the genetics enough that they aren't selected to match the environment. I think it's like dumping a highlander in Texas and expecting them to keep up with long horn reproduction. They just don't have the same skills. I was young, but remember my old dog was the king of stopping birds on the run. He'd break off on a dead run and circle them wide. He'd work his way back to you and hold them. They weren't quick to fly. Twenty years later, they are smaller, the breast meat is red tinged, not white and their leg muscles don't look like Earl Campbell's. They are quicker to hold and fly vs try to out run you. I think this favors the predators. This is all just opinion, but I suspect their is some validity to at least part if not all. [/QUOTE]
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