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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 6580"><p>JP,</p><p></p><p>When simmental came over the charolais had the Full French imports and these there the source of increased performance not the Pie Rouge French Simmentals that were imported at the time. No motive would exist to use a Simmental at the time (or any other time) because the charolais imports were much higher performance than the Simmentals. At the time it was posible to buy Full French bulls that were 1400 to 1500 Lb. The world record yearling weight for a bull from that peroid (1968) was 1736 LB. by Francie Borgal. Many of the best Simmentals were around 1200-1400 depending if they were dairy strain or beef (heavier). The dairy type looked like white faced ayrshires (eg Abricot). Any simmental charolais cross can be picked easily due to the Simmental white face and yellow hair and loss of muscle associated with the cross. The hereford and angus were used as ther base for plenty of charolais herds. After a couple of crosses they showed all the size and performance of purebreds many times better. Lastly many exotic breeds got their start by being bred to dairy herds of all breeds. It was much easier for a speculator to cut a deal with a dairy man to AI all his cows to a Maine, Simmental or Chianina than buy a bunch of half wild range cows to AI. And yes many dairy cattle are red even holsteins so the red color could come from this source.</p><p></p><p>Mark</p><p>> sorry, you are right, it is</p><p>> 31/32.. i was incorrect on that i</p><p>> went back and re checked, however,</p><p>> simmental was crossed with</p><p>> charolais to make the charolais</p><p>> breed better, that explains the</p><p>> red color in some, but not all...</p><p>> if it came from herefords, they</p><p>> wouldn't be totally red... they</p><p>> would have white on their faces...</p><p>> shorthorn, im not sure, but aren't</p><p>> they apart of the original breed</p><p>> developed in France? dairy would</p><p>> NOT be crossed with a charolais</p><p>> and make red that would just be</p><p>> foolish.. red angus couldn't be</p><p>> suspect because the frame size of</p><p>> that breed is to small, simmental</p><p>> would be correct, in fact, in my</p><p>> herd i have a cow that is 15/16</p><p>> and the 1/16 is simmental, all her</p><p>> calves can be registered pure</p><p>> bred,,,Q registery-with purebred</p><p>> breeders is not what they would</p><p>> prefer, if they raise showstock,</p><p>> they cannot be shown with the</p><p>> normal registered cattle</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:mhickox@vcnet.com">mhickox@vcnet.com</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 6580"] JP, When simmental came over the charolais had the Full French imports and these there the source of increased performance not the Pie Rouge French Simmentals that were imported at the time. No motive would exist to use a Simmental at the time (or any other time) because the charolais imports were much higher performance than the Simmentals. At the time it was posible to buy Full French bulls that were 1400 to 1500 Lb. The world record yearling weight for a bull from that peroid (1968) was 1736 LB. by Francie Borgal. Many of the best Simmentals were around 1200-1400 depending if they were dairy strain or beef (heavier). The dairy type looked like white faced ayrshires (eg Abricot). Any simmental charolais cross can be picked easily due to the Simmental white face and yellow hair and loss of muscle associated with the cross. The hereford and angus were used as ther base for plenty of charolais herds. After a couple of crosses they showed all the size and performance of purebreds many times better. Lastly many exotic breeds got their start by being bred to dairy herds of all breeds. It was much easier for a speculator to cut a deal with a dairy man to AI all his cows to a Maine, Simmental or Chianina than buy a bunch of half wild range cows to AI. And yes many dairy cattle are red even holsteins so the red color could come from this source. Mark > sorry, you are right, it is > 31/32.. i was incorrect on that i > went back and re checked, however, > simmental was crossed with > charolais to make the charolais > breed better, that explains the > red color in some, but not all... > if it came from herefords, they > wouldn't be totally red... they > would have white on their faces... > shorthorn, im not sure, but aren't > they apart of the original breed > developed in France? dairy would > NOT be crossed with a charolais > and make red that would just be > foolish.. red angus couldn't be > suspect because the frame size of > that breed is to small, simmental > would be correct, in fact, in my > herd i have a cow that is 15/16 > and the 1/16 is simmental, all her > calves can be registered pure > bred,,,Q registery-with purebred > breeders is not what they would > prefer, if they raise showstock, > they cannot be shown with the > normal registered cattle [email=mhickox@vcnet.com]mhickox@vcnet.com[/email] [/QUOTE]
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