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<blockquote data-quote="elkwc" data-source="post: 1803211" data-attributes="member: 22295"><p>Basically each breeder needs to identify what works best in their environment, management system, market and also on their available forages. I have been involved with raising cattle in 3 different environments. What worked in one best don't in the other 2. I have also learned to watch and listen to those who have raised cattle in an area for many years and been successful. </p><p>We are a low input operation. We had pastures with 20 cows that only got 2-3 bales of hay all winter. They get liquid feed to help them utilize left over grass. We need a high volume cow to utilize poor forages. We desire a little more milk in our cows than some do in other areas. We have found if you use a high growth bull on many of the maternal bred cows you see no increase in weaning weight. The growth requires more nutrition whether it is more milk or creep feed. We have found increasing the milk for us returns more net dollars than buying creep feed. Our weaning weights have increased to our goal. All of the Hoover Dam influenced steers weaned off over 700 lbs at 7-8 months last fall. We had 3 cows that didn't wean a calf out of 110 head. We don't preg check. And one of the 3 cows lost a 3 month old calf. We have consistently had similar results for years so don't feel fertility is decreasing. Our search now is for a sire or sires too use on our Hoover Dam influenced cows and move it forward. Using bulls sired by the recent hot AI sires hasn't worked. We AIed 2 years in our quest to find one. We sampled several. We also bought a son of Growth Fund. So far the Growth Fund influence shows lots of potential. We have a Brown's Double Decker that is 7 weeks old that shows promise. When selecting a sire or new bloodlines we look for what will gives us a 700 lb weaning steer without extra inputs. We don't seek the most growth because along with that comes increased inputs. We seek the optimum growth for our environment and management system. </p><p>A two herd system may work for some. It isn't economically feasible for us. Myself and several neighbors have been successful raising a beef cow that covers all bases and not single function. The issue is there are fewer breeders raising the kind and type we need. Why many of us are now retaining bulls we raise. We are also considering other breeds besides Angus.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elkwc, post: 1803211, member: 22295"] Basically each breeder needs to identify what works best in their environment, management system, market and also on their available forages. I have been involved with raising cattle in 3 different environments. What worked in one best don’t in the other 2. I have also learned to watch and listen to those who have raised cattle in an area for many years and been successful. We are a low input operation. We had pastures with 20 cows that only got 2-3 bales of hay all winter. They get liquid feed to help them utilize left over grass. We need a high volume cow to utilize poor forages. We desire a little more milk in our cows than some do in other areas. We have found if you use a high growth bull on many of the maternal bred cows you see no increase in weaning weight. The growth requires more nutrition whether it is more milk or creep feed. We have found increasing the milk for us returns more net dollars than buying creep feed. Our weaning weights have increased to our goal. All of the Hoover Dam influenced steers weaned off over 700 lbs at 7-8 months last fall. We had 3 cows that didn’t wean a calf out of 110 head. We don’t preg check. And one of the 3 cows lost a 3 month old calf. We have consistently had similar results for years so don’t feel fertility is decreasing. Our search now is for a sire or sires too use on our Hoover Dam influenced cows and move it forward. Using bulls sired by the recent hot AI sires hasn’t worked. We AIed 2 years in our quest to find one. We sampled several. We also bought a son of Growth Fund. So far the Growth Fund influence shows lots of potential. We have a Brown’s Double Decker that is 7 weeks old that shows promise. When selecting a sire or new bloodlines we look for what will gives us a 700 lb weaning steer without extra inputs. We don’t seek the most growth because along with that comes increased inputs. We seek the optimum growth for our environment and management system. A two herd system may work for some. It isn’t economically feasible for us. Myself and several neighbors have been successful raising a beef cow that covers all bases and not single function. The issue is there are fewer breeders raising the kind and type we need. Why many of us are now retaining bulls we raise. We are also considering other breeds besides Angus. [/QUOTE]
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