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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 11152"><p>What is the average protein for your hay/grass that you feed? Clover generally runs somewhere in the mid to high teens and will bring up your protein percentage. What is the cows average body condition?--if they're fat, don't keep increasing protein! Hereford/simms would likely require the average protein requirement, ie post above, the brangus--who knows? There are none up here, I've never examined one nor do I know if they have special requirements.</p><p></p><p>When I had fullblood Simmentals (they were about 1600lbs average weight) we fed a good grass hay (tested annually) and left in a crystalyx tub (not 30% protein, it was either 12 or 14%, depending on test) We definitely had High Mag tubs in the spring, because magnesium deficiency definitely occurs here. The cows were grained for a month at most post calving, the calves never received grain but had those crystalyx tubs in the pasture with them.</p><p></p><p>Now I'm going to show my bias against urea containing feeds. I find that if you're giving urea as part of the protein source, keep it very low or else I see all sorts of problems occurring--some obviously related, others possibly coincidental. But all are still a concern. Many texts say that you can use 10 percent (I've seen varying numbers) safely....I generally go for 1/2 of the lowest recommended or less--preferably zero in my herd, but less problems are seen with the lower numbers. If I've muddied things, just ask for clarification! V</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 11152"] What is the average protein for your hay/grass that you feed? Clover generally runs somewhere in the mid to high teens and will bring up your protein percentage. What is the cows average body condition?--if they're fat, don't keep increasing protein! Hereford/simms would likely require the average protein requirement, ie post above, the brangus--who knows? There are none up here, I've never examined one nor do I know if they have special requirements. When I had fullblood Simmentals (they were about 1600lbs average weight) we fed a good grass hay (tested annually) and left in a crystalyx tub (not 30% protein, it was either 12 or 14%, depending on test) We definitely had High Mag tubs in the spring, because magnesium deficiency definitely occurs here. The cows were grained for a month at most post calving, the calves never received grain but had those crystalyx tubs in the pasture with them. Now I'm going to show my bias against urea containing feeds. I find that if you're giving urea as part of the protein source, keep it very low or else I see all sorts of problems occurring--some obviously related, others possibly coincidental. But all are still a concern. Many texts say that you can use 10 percent (I've seen varying numbers) safely....I generally go for 1/2 of the lowest recommended or less--preferably zero in my herd, but less problems are seen with the lower numbers. If I've muddied things, just ask for clarification! V [/QUOTE]
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