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<blockquote data-quote="cattle_gal" data-source="post: 52871" data-attributes="member: 643"><p>Lets look at it in the prospective of if you called a feed rep from a dependable company.</p><p></p><p>What would be the first things talked about.</p><p></p><p>The fed rep would want to know before suggesting a product what kind of grasses and hay you have and the amount of cattle you have per acre. You would either say you don't know what the TDN is in the grasses and hay or you would show him the test results. If you don't then he'll take a sample and get it tested and come back with the results. </p><p></p><p>If the cattle have lots of grass but aren't utilizing it he should if he's any good recommend a mineral program so the cows will get the right mix of mineral and a mineral that will get the cattles guts to working and utilize the grasses. </p><p></p><p>I have tried to a few years to get a couple of my range neighbors to go to a good mineral that promotes utilization of existing grasses. They give there cattle protien tubs. There is so much grass out there but the cattle don't eat it. They will stand around picking some and loose weight and then the protien tub makes the cattle stick in a closer proximity yet. </p><p></p><p>For me the use of the right mineral keeps the cows happy and full, me happy and the government happy, when we are on federal allotments, that the cattle are not in the bottom water areas - Aka - so called riparian. </p><p></p><p>This includes my registered cattle -which is about 1/3 of them. They have to work just as much as any other cow. This is a great indicator of what genetics are self sufficient and grow a good calf. Right now they have to nose through a foot of snow. That's how I can tell real performance genetics. </p><p></p><p>If one is in an area that doesn't not grow enough grass or good grass to support a cows weight then one has to look at an alternative to keep the cattles weight proper.</p><p></p><p>Now reading about having plump registered cattle. I know of a Charolais breeder in MT that does feed them extra just to have the well fleshed look for when people come to examine the cattle for future purchases. Do I as a buyer and a seller of registered stock think that is a great</p><p>thing to do. No. As a buyer if see a well fleshed cow/bull and bring her/him home and boom that cow loses weight and turns out shelly living in the same conditions as my other cattle I'm going to be one mad person. Nothing gets the word out more about a breeder than bad publicity. If I'm looking to buy a cow I want to see what the real cloths are and the environment that cow/bull lives in. I've got a bull coming to me next spring which if another breeder would have bought would probably be taking to shows and looking super fleshed. I made sure that this bull will only be given a moderate ration more forage, so he will be in his every day cloths when he gets here for AI and natural breeding. Now as a seller can I feel good about selling cattle to a customer of any grazing conditions. One customer has lots of grass and another has lots of acres and sparse grass. Is the one customer who has poor grazing going to come back to me and say this cow/bull stayed great fleshed and</p><p>better than my other cattle or is he going to come back and say this cow looked like it was going to die with in a month of arrival. If it is negative then I have lost a customer and I have lost lots of potential customers because of the negative word of mouth.</p><p></p><p>There are lots of buyers of registered stock, more in the midwest than up here in MT, who will take the over fleshed cows - donor, ect and have the same feed regimen. Will they know the difference on how this cow/bull would look in everyday cloths? Nope.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cattle_gal, post: 52871, member: 643"] Lets look at it in the prospective of if you called a feed rep from a dependable company. What would be the first things talked about. The fed rep would want to know before suggesting a product what kind of grasses and hay you have and the amount of cattle you have per acre. You would either say you don’t know what the TDN is in the grasses and hay or you would show him the test results. If you don’t then he’ll take a sample and get it tested and come back with the results. If the cattle have lots of grass but aren’t utilizing it he should if he’s any good recommend a mineral program so the cows will get the right mix of mineral and a mineral that will get the cattles guts to working and utilize the grasses. I have tried to a few years to get a couple of my range neighbors to go to a good mineral that promotes utilization of existing grasses. They give there cattle protien tubs. There is so much grass out there but the cattle don’t eat it. They will stand around picking some and loose weight and then the protien tub makes the cattle stick in a closer proximity yet. For me the use of the right mineral keeps the cows happy and full, me happy and the government happy, when we are on federal allotments, that the cattle are not in the bottom water areas - Aka - so called riparian. This includes my registered cattle -which is about 1/3 of them. They have to work just as much as any other cow. This is a great indicator of what genetics are self sufficient and grow a good calf. Right now they have to nose through a foot of snow. That's how I can tell real performance genetics. If one is in an area that doesn’t not grow enough grass or good grass to support a cows weight then one has to look at an alternative to keep the cattles weight proper. Now reading about having plump registered cattle. I know of a Charolais breeder in MT that does feed them extra just to have the well fleshed look for when people come to examine the cattle for future purchases. Do I as a buyer and a seller of registered stock think that is a great thing to do. No. As a buyer if see a well fleshed cow/bull and bring her/him home and boom that cow loses weight and turns out shelly living in the same conditions as my other cattle I’m going to be one mad person. Nothing gets the word out more about a breeder than bad publicity. If I’m looking to buy a cow I want to see what the real cloths are and the environment that cow/bull lives in. I’ve got a bull coming to me next spring which if another breeder would have bought would probably be taking to shows and looking super fleshed. I made sure that this bull will only be given a moderate ration more forage, so he will be in his every day cloths when he gets here for AI and natural breeding. Now as a seller can I feel good about selling cattle to a customer of any grazing conditions. One customer has lots of grass and another has lots of acres and sparse grass. Is the one customer who has poor grazing going to come back to me and say this cow/bull stayed great fleshed and better than my other cattle or is he going to come back and say this cow looked like it was going to die with in a month of arrival. If it is negative then I have lost a customer and I have lost lots of potential customers because of the negative word of mouth. There are lots of buyers of registered stock, more in the midwest than up here in MT, who will take the over fleshed cows - donor, ect and have the same feed regimen. Will they know the difference on how this cow/bull would look in everyday cloths? Nope. [/QUOTE]
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