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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 10713"><p>You can't tell the position of the calf by the size of the cow's belly.</p><p></p><p>Some cows/heifers bag up a month or more before delivering and some bag up when they calve.</p><p></p><p>I can't remember at what point the calf moves into position for delivery. Maybe Vicky would be so kind as to help answer this one.</p><p></p><p>If you can, bring the cow up where you can check her several times a day & night. If you do so, you are more likely to see when her mucous plug is released and you are more likely to see when she goes into labor.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I would have gone on an immediate search for the cow you came up missing. I would not have waited "several days" and had her die in agony. At the least, you could probably have saved the cow, and quite possibly, had you been closely observing the cow, you might have saved the calf.</p><p></p><p>Talk to your veterinarian. Ask questions. Pay for the knowledge and experience your veterinarian posseses and went to school for umpteen years to acquire. The more open you are to learning, the more you are going to learn. Learn from the expert.</p><p></p><p>I would not do an exam at this point unless you were very experienced. I know cows are examined rectally all the time, but there is the potential for an inexperienced person to do internal damage to the cow. I believe the calf, at this stage, may be well down into the abdomen, unless calving is in progress. I don't believe you could easily tell the position ahead of time.</p><p></p><p>If you're willing to pay for an ultrasound, that's the only relatively non invasive method that comes to mind, and I don't know if that would work at this state of pregnancy.</p><p></p><p>We had a Murray Grey cow that just got bigger and bigger with every pregnancy. Talk about looking like a hippo!! However, she calved easily each and every time and all of her calves were in the 60# range.</p><p></p><p>> Other than sticking my arm up her</p><p>> butt(or getting the vet to do so!)</p><p>> is there any way to visually</p><p>> and/or manually determine if a cow</p><p>> is likely to have a problem</p><p>> delivery due to a breech</p><p>> positioned calf? Like for</p><p>> instance, if she is bagged up for</p><p>> what seems to be an excessive</p><p>> period of time, could that be an</p><p>> indication that something is</p><p>> "hung up" ?</p><p></p><p>> I lost a big heifer a few years</p><p>> ago, that was very large in the</p><p>> belly and stayed very bagged up</p><p>> for what seemed like well over a</p><p>> month. I kept thinking that she</p><p>> would calve "any day</p><p>> now" but that lasted for</p><p>> weeks. But I never saw her</p><p>> standing or walking</p><p>> "funny", not hunched up</p><p>> or anything. Then I noticed her</p><p>> missing one day and assumed she</p><p>> finally went off to have her calf.</p><p>> Found her dead a few days later</p><p>> with a calf about a third of the</p><p>> way out of her, back legs first.</p><p></p><p>> Now I'm worried that one of my</p><p>> cows may be in a similar</p><p>> situation. She looks bigger in the</p><p>> belly than she has for past</p><p>> pregnancies (looks like a hippo!)</p><p>> and although she has only begun to</p><p>> "bag" a little at this</p><p>> time, I'd like to know if I have a</p><p>> potential problem if, for example,</p><p>> she stays bagged up for what seems</p><p>> to be too long a period of time.</p><p></p><p>> I've never palpated a cow, but I</p><p>> guess with a late stage preg. it</p><p>> should be pretty easy to tell if</p><p>> the positioning was right or</p><p>> wrong, and I don't suppose I could</p><p>> do any real damage to a late stage</p><p>> calf -- but I'm rather embarassed</p><p>> to admit that I'm too intimidated</p><p>> by the whole procedure to give it</p><p>> a try at this time. Is there a</p><p>> little less "invasive"</p><p>> method?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 10713"] You can't tell the position of the calf by the size of the cow's belly. Some cows/heifers bag up a month or more before delivering and some bag up when they calve. I can't remember at what point the calf moves into position for delivery. Maybe Vicky would be so kind as to help answer this one. If you can, bring the cow up where you can check her several times a day & night. If you do so, you are more likely to see when her mucous plug is released and you are more likely to see when she goes into labor. Personally, I would have gone on an immediate search for the cow you came up missing. I would not have waited "several days" and had her die in agony. At the least, you could probably have saved the cow, and quite possibly, had you been closely observing the cow, you might have saved the calf. Talk to your veterinarian. Ask questions. Pay for the knowledge and experience your veterinarian posseses and went to school for umpteen years to acquire. The more open you are to learning, the more you are going to learn. Learn from the expert. I would not do an exam at this point unless you were very experienced. I know cows are examined rectally all the time, but there is the potential for an inexperienced person to do internal damage to the cow. I believe the calf, at this stage, may be well down into the abdomen, unless calving is in progress. I don't believe you could easily tell the position ahead of time. If you're willing to pay for an ultrasound, that's the only relatively non invasive method that comes to mind, and I don't know if that would work at this state of pregnancy. We had a Murray Grey cow that just got bigger and bigger with every pregnancy. Talk about looking like a hippo!! However, she calved easily each and every time and all of her calves were in the 60# range. > Other than sticking my arm up her > butt(or getting the vet to do so!) > is there any way to visually > and/or manually determine if a cow > is likely to have a problem > delivery due to a breech > positioned calf? Like for > instance, if she is bagged up for > what seems to be an excessive > period of time, could that be an > indication that something is > "hung up" ? > I lost a big heifer a few years > ago, that was very large in the > belly and stayed very bagged up > for what seemed like well over a > month. I kept thinking that she > would calve "any day > now" but that lasted for > weeks. But I never saw her > standing or walking > "funny", not hunched up > or anything. Then I noticed her > missing one day and assumed she > finally went off to have her calf. > Found her dead a few days later > with a calf about a third of the > way out of her, back legs first. > Now I'm worried that one of my > cows may be in a similar > situation. She looks bigger in the > belly than she has for past > pregnancies (looks like a hippo!) > and although she has only begun to > "bag" a little at this > time, I'd like to know if I have a > potential problem if, for example, > she stays bagged up for what seems > to be too long a period of time. > I've never palpated a cow, but I > guess with a late stage preg. it > should be pretty easy to tell if > the positioning was right or > wrong, and I don't suppose I could > do any real damage to a late stage > calf -- but I'm rather embarassed > to admit that I'm too intimidated > by the whole procedure to give it > a try at this time. Is there a > little less "invasive" > method? [/QUOTE]
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