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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 6996"><p>The first "snip" pretty well sums up what happens when you throw a solution at a problem without figuring out how to do it correctly. Too many people think you can cross any two breeds and get something really wonderfull. If you breed quality to crap you'll end up with a lot of crap. Using high quality animals in the crossbreeding program is necessary to maintain the quality.</p><p></p><p>dun</p><p></p><p>> I think it's unlikely we'll find a</p><p>> publicly funded institution (MARC</p><p>> or University) promoting a</p><p>> specific breed. So it's up to the</p><p>> breed association to fund</p><p>> research. You will likely call any</p><p>> breed financed research</p><p>> propoganda. But I don't need a</p><p>> breed association or MARC to tell</p><p>> me that 40-50% of the cattle sold</p><p>> in the US are sold on some sort of</p><p>> grid. And that percentage is</p><p>> expected to get even larger.</p><p>> Successful grid marketing rewards</p><p>> consistency. Whether it's a</p><p>> quality or yield grid,</p><p>> "out" cattle that don't</p><p>> fit the grid can eat up premiums</p><p>> quickly. Good straightbred cattle</p><p>> will more consistently fit</p><p>> whatever grid you'r aiming for.</p><p>> Crossbreeding has been the basis</p><p>> of a lot of programs for many</p><p>> years. And if people are</p><p>> interested in raising commodity</p><p>> beef, it will still be a valuable</p><p>> tool for them. But the real $$ are</p><p>> in branded beef. An Alta Genetics</p><p>> catalog quoted an Excel manager as</p><p>> saying they made most of their</p><p>> profit in a particular plant from</p><p>> about 10% of the cattle they</p><p>> processed. That 10% was the Prime,</p><p>> CAB, Sterling Silver, etc cattle.</p><p>> Each individual has to come up</p><p>> with a program that works for him.</p><p>> Straightbred Angus cattle work for</p><p>> a lot of people. Here are some</p><p>> snips I took from the ranchers.net</p><p>> site:</p><p></p><p>> "Years ago I was deeply</p><p>> influenced by the MARC studies on</p><p>> heterosis. As a result we put</p><p>> hereford bulls on our angus cows</p><p>> and got some real good cows but</p><p>> also introduced eye problems and</p><p>> utter problems. We then bought</p><p>> some reputation black friesian</p><p>> cows who rapidly washed out of our</p><p>> herd because they demanded too</p><p>> much feed to remain productive. We</p><p>> tried angus-gelvieh and were stung</p><p>> with calving problems. Tried a</p><p>> composite of angus, hereford, and</p><p>> brown swiss. They raised really</p><p>> large calves but weren't much on</p><p>> mothering ability. In recent years</p><p>> we are back to straight</p><p>> angus."</p><p></p><p>> and: "Great point, …. THanks</p><p>> for making it. We tried some</p><p>> crossbreeding, too, and we were</p><p>> not as satisfied as we are with</p><p>> straight Angus."</p><p></p><p>> and another: "We run black angus</p><p>> but keep the middle of the heifers</p><p>> back for replacements. We sell the</p><p>> top and low end, seems to work, no</p><p>> problems calving since we went to</p><p>> low birth weight black bulls on</p><p>> them. We calved 140 this year and</p><p>> never pulled a one, in fact never</p><p>> got up at night with them, checked</p><p>> late and early. Calves weight good</p><p>> in the fall, no eye, udder</p><p>> problems, and very few dry cows to</p><p>> sell out of 700. So think if you</p><p>> find something that works stay</p><p>> with it. We have have no problem</p><p>> selling calves, same buyer for</p><p>> steers every year and another for</p><p>> heifers. We get top price for both</p><p>> in the area."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 6996"] The first "snip" pretty well sums up what happens when you throw a solution at a problem without figuring out how to do it correctly. Too many people think you can cross any two breeds and get something really wonderfull. If you breed quality to crap you'll end up with a lot of crap. Using high quality animals in the crossbreeding program is necessary to maintain the quality. dun > I think it's unlikely we'll find a > publicly funded institution (MARC > or University) promoting a > specific breed. So it's up to the > breed association to fund > research. You will likely call any > breed financed research > propoganda. But I don't need a > breed association or MARC to tell > me that 40-50% of the cattle sold > in the US are sold on some sort of > grid. And that percentage is > expected to get even larger. > Successful grid marketing rewards > consistency. Whether it's a > quality or yield grid, > "out" cattle that don't > fit the grid can eat up premiums > quickly. Good straightbred cattle > will more consistently fit > whatever grid you'r aiming for. > Crossbreeding has been the basis > of a lot of programs for many > years. And if people are > interested in raising commodity > beef, it will still be a valuable > tool for them. But the real $$ are > in branded beef. An Alta Genetics > catalog quoted an Excel manager as > saying they made most of their > profit in a particular plant from > about 10% of the cattle they > processed. That 10% was the Prime, > CAB, Sterling Silver, etc cattle. > Each individual has to come up > with a program that works for him. > Straightbred Angus cattle work for > a lot of people. Here are some > snips I took from the ranchers.net > site: > "Years ago I was deeply > influenced by the MARC studies on > heterosis. As a result we put > hereford bulls on our angus cows > and got some real good cows but > also introduced eye problems and > utter problems. We then bought > some reputation black friesian > cows who rapidly washed out of our > herd because they demanded too > much feed to remain productive. We > tried angus-gelvieh and were stung > with calving problems. Tried a > composite of angus, hereford, and > brown swiss. They raised really > large calves but weren't much on > mothering ability. In recent years > we are back to straight > angus." > and: "Great point, …. THanks > for making it. We tried some > crossbreeding, too, and we were > not as satisfied as we are with > straight Angus." > and another: “We run black angus > but keep the middle of the heifers > back for replacements. We sell the > top and low end, seems to work, no > problems calving since we went to > low birth weight black bulls on > them. We calved 140 this year and > never pulled a one, in fact never > got up at night with them, checked > late and early. Calves weight good > in the fall, no eye, udder > problems, and very few dry cows to > sell out of 700. So think if you > find something that works stay > with it. We have have no problem > selling calves, same buyer for > steers every year and another for > heifers. We get top price for both > in the area.” [/QUOTE]
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