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<blockquote data-quote="Till-Hill" data-source="post: 1007186" data-attributes="member: 16547"><p>I have limited AI experience with PCC bulls. One Angus bull Moderator. Very calving ease. Calves were born at an "organic" place and guy never had culled for anything. Pretty much if it was alive it stayed. Used some "conventional" bulls also and none of the calves grew...........</p><p></p><p>Have an Elijah (TA x AN) heifer out of a Hereford x Holstein recip. Again calving ease but did have higgest weight per day of age as a fall calf. See how she turns out.</p><p></p><p>Had a Buckaroo (TA x HH x AN) heifer x SM/HP/AN heifer. Smallest by far frame size calf in group. Got fat on on Holstein heifer ration and never bred.....but neither did any of my fall '11 heifers this year......</p><p></p><p>Had an Elijah heifer this spring 62 lb bw 6 days early out of another Angus x Holstein recip that is growing now anyway......</p><p></p><p>Used Buckaroo and Paleface (same as Buckaroo) on some commercial cows a guy wanted baldies and some calving ease with some easy doing as he liked fat cows year round and wanted to keep the heifers and sell steers at weaning. Thought perfect place to use them. He sold heifers and fed steers out and you could really see the PCC sired calves right away. First born calves of course being AI'ed and I'd say they were grain finished 10 months 8-900 lbs. Rest the group were 6" taller and had weighed same but had 4-6 months to be done. He never complained but which ones made more $? I can't answer that. </p><p></p><p>Used Moderator Paleface and Elijah both on a group of Red Angus sired commercial heifers last year. They feed just hay all year round. 15 head on 5 acre of dirt! Trying to make the herd a little more fleshy. It's an experiment anyway. Ultrasound said they were all bull calves tho. So we will be able to tell difference at finish on these calves to as steers will be used for 4-H projects. </p><p></p><p>I think they have their place but I'm allready seeing what I thought were my huge cows (because we have some what I'd say was small) is that they really are not that big. 13 yr old PB Angus cow who I thought was a monster we culled last month weighed only 1405......Couldn't tell you frame size for sure but I'd say 5.5-6? Do I need them smaller? My small cows I would say weigh 250-400 less than that HUGE cow! That 1405 cow weaned off with creep born 8-27-12 weaned 3-20-13 shots 3-21 and weighed 3-22 @ 208 days old came off scale at 760.......wish she would have stayed pregnant. 54% of her Body weight weaned in fall I can live with that.</p><p></p><p>So in closing they are not the right kind of bulls for me in NE Iowa where I have to feed hay in winter. Only have access to 10 acre of stalks where cows winter because of water. I can't run cows on stockpiled grass etc...I'd rather run more cows if I could do that and if I did deer would eat it all anyway.</p><p></p><p>I have seen more of them Scottish origin bulls Genex, LT Ranch, SInclair, Boyd, etc... brought in few years ago. How long did they last in them operations? Not long. Performance was not there for the mainstay commercial guy....Saw a couple Jipsey Earl bulls out of high performance Angus cows that the registered breeders cut that I thought maybe would work better than the "pure" Scottish deal...</p><p></p><p>I will keep using PCC genetics on hard doing herds/dairy influenced stock cows....... The outcome I have not come to yet but have not found anything better to use either. Got the cow might as well use her and try to make her better.</p><p></p><p>But on my cows that live off grass/hay/mineral now and can wean 50% body weight off that I think I'm on the right track......I'm no Kit Pharo but cow don't take calf=culled. Don't breed back in the 35-60 day calving season we keep every year=culled (cows calving 3 weeks early and late hurt!) Problem cows, light weaning, etc get CULLED too. I do feed mineral year round and hay and calve wrong time of year for PCC herd quitter mentality but for my market I need March and April calves to sell to make a living. </p><p></p><p>Sorry for the rambling. Just thought I'd share my 2 cents. </p><p></p><p>There is a place for every kind of bull in the vast climates of North America. To each is their own!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Till-Hill, post: 1007186, member: 16547"] I have limited AI experience with PCC bulls. One Angus bull Moderator. Very calving ease. Calves were born at an "organic" place and guy never had culled for anything. Pretty much if it was alive it stayed. Used some "conventional" bulls also and none of the calves grew........... Have an Elijah (TA x AN) heifer out of a Hereford x Holstein recip. Again calving ease but did have higgest weight per day of age as a fall calf. See how she turns out. Had a Buckaroo (TA x HH x AN) heifer x SM/HP/AN heifer. Smallest by far frame size calf in group. Got fat on on Holstein heifer ration and never bred.....but neither did any of my fall '11 heifers this year...... Had an Elijah heifer this spring 62 lb bw 6 days early out of another Angus x Holstein recip that is growing now anyway...... Used Buckaroo and Paleface (same as Buckaroo) on some commercial cows a guy wanted baldies and some calving ease with some easy doing as he liked fat cows year round and wanted to keep the heifers and sell steers at weaning. Thought perfect place to use them. He sold heifers and fed steers out and you could really see the PCC sired calves right away. First born calves of course being AI'ed and I'd say they were grain finished 10 months 8-900 lbs. Rest the group were 6" taller and had weighed same but had 4-6 months to be done. He never complained but which ones made more $? I can't answer that. Used Moderator Paleface and Elijah both on a group of Red Angus sired commercial heifers last year. They feed just hay all year round. 15 head on 5 acre of dirt! Trying to make the herd a little more fleshy. It's an experiment anyway. Ultrasound said they were all bull calves tho. So we will be able to tell difference at finish on these calves to as steers will be used for 4-H projects. I think they have their place but I'm allready seeing what I thought were my huge cows (because we have some what I'd say was small) is that they really are not that big. 13 yr old PB Angus cow who I thought was a monster we culled last month weighed only 1405......Couldn't tell you frame size for sure but I'd say 5.5-6? Do I need them smaller? My small cows I would say weigh 250-400 less than that HUGE cow! That 1405 cow weaned off with creep born 8-27-12 weaned 3-20-13 shots 3-21 and weighed 3-22 @ 208 days old came off scale at 760.......wish she would have stayed pregnant. 54% of her Body weight weaned in fall I can live with that. So in closing they are not the right kind of bulls for me in NE Iowa where I have to feed hay in winter. Only have access to 10 acre of stalks where cows winter because of water. I can't run cows on stockpiled grass etc...I'd rather run more cows if I could do that and if I did deer would eat it all anyway. I have seen more of them Scottish origin bulls Genex, LT Ranch, SInclair, Boyd, etc... brought in few years ago. How long did they last in them operations? Not long. Performance was not there for the mainstay commercial guy....Saw a couple Jipsey Earl bulls out of high performance Angus cows that the registered breeders cut that I thought maybe would work better than the "pure" Scottish deal... I will keep using PCC genetics on hard doing herds/dairy influenced stock cows....... The outcome I have not come to yet but have not found anything better to use either. Got the cow might as well use her and try to make her better. But on my cows that live off grass/hay/mineral now and can wean 50% body weight off that I think I'm on the right track......I'm no Kit Pharo but cow don't take calf=culled. Don't breed back in the 35-60 day calving season we keep every year=culled (cows calving 3 weeks early and late hurt!) Problem cows, light weaning, etc get CULLED too. I do feed mineral year round and hay and calve wrong time of year for PCC herd quitter mentality but for my market I need March and April calves to sell to make a living. Sorry for the rambling. Just thought I'd share my 2 cents. There is a place for every kind of bull in the vast climates of North America. To each is their own! [/QUOTE]
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