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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1211240" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>Supa...not at all. +25 still puts him in the top 25% of the breed... higher than some of the bulls I'm currently using, less than others. </p><p>In fact, I usually select for lower milk numbers in most bulls of any breed I use; I'm breeding beef cattle, not dairy. </p><p>It's not a maternal trait, it's a <strong>production</strong> trait, and there's a feed and (potentially) fertility cost associated with it. </p><p>Now that the Shorthorns have moved to the same epd base as the Simmentals and Red Angus, one of the Shorthorn bulls I've been using now has a -1 Maternal Milk; I guarantee you his daughters produce plenty of milk to raise a good calf. </p><p></p><p>Even back in the '80s, when I first started incorporating Simmental genetics into my herd, the Fleckvieh cattle were heavier-muscled and more moderate in frame than the Swiss & French types that were in the first wave of Simmental cattle introduced to the US.</p><p>Base herd here was linebred to 809,his sire (ABR Sir Arnold G809), and G809's full brother. When I dropped that project and came back over those cows with Angus sires 15 years later, the Angus-sired heifers have almost all matured as much larger/taller cows than the Fleckvieh-influenced cows they came out of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1211240, member: 12607"] Supa...not at all. +25 still puts him in the top 25% of the breed... higher than some of the bulls I'm currently using, less than others. In fact, I usually select for lower milk numbers in most bulls of any breed I use; I'm breeding beef cattle, not dairy. It's not a maternal trait, it's a [b]production[/b] trait, and there's a feed and (potentially) fertility cost associated with it. Now that the Shorthorns have moved to the same epd base as the Simmentals and Red Angus, one of the Shorthorn bulls I've been using now has a -1 Maternal Milk; I guarantee you his daughters produce plenty of milk to raise a good calf. Even back in the '80s, when I first started incorporating Simmental genetics into my herd, the Fleckvieh cattle were heavier-muscled and more moderate in frame than the Swiss & French types that were in the first wave of Simmental cattle introduced to the US. Base herd here was linebred to 809,his sire (ABR Sir Arnold G809), and G809's full brother. When I dropped that project and came back over those cows with Angus sires 15 years later, the Angus-sired heifers have almost all matured as much larger/taller cows than the Fleckvieh-influenced cows they came out of. [/QUOTE]
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