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<blockquote data-quote="JParrott" data-source="post: 1697869" data-attributes="member: 37914"><p>We've done both KY32 endophyte free and novel Max Q. I prefer the Max Q simply because it behaves exactly as KY31 and the stands have lasted last longer before returning to what I assume by this point is all or partially KY31. Dad sprayed 15 acres and planted it in Max Q only back in 2015 and then harvested the seed over the next four years and kept it. Used the seed to plant into other fields after we'd sprayed them.</p><p></p><p>I've (we) have never tested for toxins, rather watched how the cows that are more susceptible reacted to grazing the pasture each summer. Palatability was no different in my experience. I could tell more of a difference in the preference based off of soil Ph rather than what was growing. In my experience, Max Q behaves the same as KY31 with regard to heat and drought tolerance. Yes, we've cut and baled our original Max Q 15 acre field at least once a year since it was planted. It's probably 50/50 in clover though at this point.</p><p></p><p>I would plant again and I may in the future at some point.</p><p></p><p>I don't sell hay to horse people.</p><p></p><p>All that aside, I am of the opinion that diluting pasture with red and white clover, maintaining soil Ph of 6-6.5, and culling based off susceptibility is a better operating method for myself. The reason why is mainly that KY31 will creep back in eventually as I can't control the neighbors and it's everywhere around here. It's a matter of when, not if. The only way to establish novel or endophyte free is to start from scratch in the dirt and that's not something I'm willing to do over and over every so many years. I can lime, fertilize, frost seed clover every two or three years, and cull the middle aged and older cows that don't handle it well with less work and it fit the rhythm and flow of everything here better.</p><p></p><p>I think you can get what you want fairly easy if you work it. If there's anyone around with KY31 adjacent though, I don't think it'll last as long as you'd like.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JParrott, post: 1697869, member: 37914"] We've done both KY32 endophyte free and novel Max Q. I prefer the Max Q simply because it behaves exactly as KY31 and the stands have lasted last longer before returning to what I assume by this point is all or partially KY31. Dad sprayed 15 acres and planted it in Max Q only back in 2015 and then harvested the seed over the next four years and kept it. Used the seed to plant into other fields after we'd sprayed them. I've (we) have never tested for toxins, rather watched how the cows that are more susceptible reacted to grazing the pasture each summer. Palatability was no different in my experience. I could tell more of a difference in the preference based off of soil Ph rather than what was growing. In my experience, Max Q behaves the same as KY31 with regard to heat and drought tolerance. Yes, we've cut and baled our original Max Q 15 acre field at least once a year since it was planted. It's probably 50/50 in clover though at this point. I would plant again and I may in the future at some point. I don't sell hay to horse people. All that aside, I am of the opinion that diluting pasture with red and white clover, maintaining soil Ph of 6-6.5, and culling based off susceptibility is a better operating method for myself. The reason why is mainly that KY31 will creep back in eventually as I can't control the neighbors and it's everywhere around here. It's a matter of when, not if. The only way to establish novel or endophyte free is to start from scratch in the dirt and that's not something I'm willing to do over and over every so many years. I can lime, fertilize, frost seed clover every two or three years, and cull the middle aged and older cows that don't handle it well with less work and it fit the rhythm and flow of everything here better. I think you can get what you want fairly easy if you work it. If there's anyone around with KY31 adjacent though, I don't think it'll last as long as you'd like. [/QUOTE]
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