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<blockquote data-quote="Running Arrow Bill" data-source="post: 435557" data-attributes="member: 9"><p>hi all,</p><p></p><p>this is bill's other half... grins </p><p></p><p>many thanks for the compliments on our new bull, rumble...and our breeding program.</p><p></p><p>yes, his dam "deer fly" is full sister to wyoming warpaint... i talked to her owner and she is doing a fine job for him... grins</p><p>(wish i had a feather...and a money tree! lol)</p><p></p><p>yes, he needs to be watched with his back... but looking at his calves, i did not see any problem.... i did see nicely balanced offspring.. that were normal sized.... (no runts)</p><p></p><p>yes he is a small bull... but with careful selection of the mature females in our herd to mate him with... he will do a good job... the 1st time females will all go to him... (now we will no longer have to keep a unproven jr. herdsire for those) </p><p></p><p>(p.s. this means we will be selling off bulls at weaning time.. so if you happen to like one of them... better speak up before they get weaned... as they have to grow wheels as soon as possible to keep room for heifers and dams...) </p><p></p><p>check out sage's shadow bull calf... he is worthy of being a potential herd sire... we have rumble and dont need him now...</p><p></p><p>yes, he was at dora's ranch... sand hills in LA.... she has a very nice program going... i just drooled the whole time i was there! grins </p><p></p><p>rumble is 75% Roundup... (i am trying to learn all i can about <strong>selective</strong> line breeding)... like what owen mcgill has done with roundup genetics.... grins </p><p></p><p>(and i too bought the book from jim lents "the basis of linebreeding" in order to figure out how to do it right... anybody want to p.m. and compare notes on this?</p><p></p><p></p><p>and when i grow up i want to have a herd like hers... grins she really has quality animals... it would so hard to pick and choose if i had more monies to spend at her place... my hat is off to dora... her program is the tops in my book...</p><p></p><p>as for our program... we bred them for a total package... body, pedigree, balance and finally horn and color... but yes... we are still chasing horn too... grins but will take balance over horn first...</p><p></p><p>we firmly believe that the longhorn can still contribute even today... and put a straight longhorn in our own freezer too...</p><p></p><p>yes, most of them are/can be pasture pretties.... but with very careful selection as to the job you want them to do, can find that longhorn to fit that job.... (cant say that phantom is a roper bull) </p><p></p><p> (ryan's program is another focusing on full beef bodies...which is another proof that longhorn can be bred to fit that need)</p><p></p><p>** choose the animal that fits your goals and needs.....</p><p></p><p>with jet black phantom, spock, and now rumble... we can offer different sizes and needs...</p><p></p><p>1. large size = phantom (with black) mature...1860 lbs 58" hip</p><p>2. medium size = spock (roan with black) not mature...1425 lbs 56" hip</p><p>3. small size = rumble (roan with brown) will weigh 1200-1250 lbs 52" hip height</p><p></p><p>but we always strive hard for "balanced" bodies.. quality pedigrees.... and horn</p><p></p><p>as for our females we have a couple that are the small traditional size (800-900).... the main cow herd is weighing at 1000 to 1100... with a couple over that... so we have a good selection to choose from..</p><p></p><p><strong>with "balance" as our key selection tool....</strong></p><p></p><p>----------</p><p></p><p>sorry guys... this is why i stay off the boards and let bill do the talking... i get too long winded about the longhorns.... lol</p><p></p><p>but will welcome any p.m.'s to further talk.... there is always something to learn about cattle..... and yes, i do borrow info from the commercial guys.... they know things that i am willing to learn... grins </p><p></p><p>---------------------------------- </p><p></p><p>i see myself as a "dragon rider"</p><p></p><p>i see commercial cattle men as "dragon slayers"</p><p></p><p>both deal with dragons!</p><p></p><p>(and most importantly) </p><p></p><p>i see us both dealing with the critters we love.....no matter the color of the hide, the body shape, or the horn or lack of it... we all deal with dragons! and the sharing of info on our dragons is most important!</p><p></p><p>magpie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Running Arrow Bill, post: 435557, member: 9"] hi all, this is bill's other half... grins many thanks for the compliments on our new bull, rumble...and our breeding program. yes, his dam "deer fly" is full sister to wyoming warpaint... i talked to her owner and she is doing a fine job for him... grins (wish i had a feather...and a money tree! lol) yes, he needs to be watched with his back... but looking at his calves, i did not see any problem.... i did see nicely balanced offspring.. that were normal sized.... (no runts) yes he is a small bull... but with careful selection of the mature females in our herd to mate him with... he will do a good job... the 1st time females will all go to him... (now we will no longer have to keep a unproven jr. herdsire for those) (p.s. this means we will be selling off bulls at weaning time.. so if you happen to like one of them... better speak up before they get weaned... as they have to grow wheels as soon as possible to keep room for heifers and dams...) check out sage's shadow bull calf... he is worthy of being a potential herd sire... we have rumble and dont need him now... yes, he was at dora's ranch... sand hills in LA.... she has a very nice program going... i just drooled the whole time i was there! grins rumble is 75% Roundup... (i am trying to learn all i can about [b]selective[/b] line breeding)... like what owen mcgill has done with roundup genetics.... grins (and i too bought the book from jim lents "the basis of linebreeding" in order to figure out how to do it right... anybody want to p.m. and compare notes on this? and when i grow up i want to have a herd like hers... grins she really has quality animals... it would so hard to pick and choose if i had more monies to spend at her place... my hat is off to dora... her program is the tops in my book... as for our program... we bred them for a total package... body, pedigree, balance and finally horn and color... but yes... we are still chasing horn too... grins but will take balance over horn first... we firmly believe that the longhorn can still contribute even today... and put a straight longhorn in our own freezer too... yes, most of them are/can be pasture pretties.... but with very careful selection as to the job you want them to do, can find that longhorn to fit that job.... (cant say that phantom is a roper bull) (ryan's program is another focusing on full beef bodies...which is another proof that longhorn can be bred to fit that need) ** choose the animal that fits your goals and needs..... with jet black phantom, spock, and now rumble... we can offer different sizes and needs... 1. large size = phantom (with black) mature...1860 lbs 58" hip 2. medium size = spock (roan with black) not mature...1425 lbs 56" hip 3. small size = rumble (roan with brown) will weigh 1200-1250 lbs 52" hip height but we always strive hard for "balanced" bodies.. quality pedigrees.... and horn as for our females we have a couple that are the small traditional size (800-900).... the main cow herd is weighing at 1000 to 1100... with a couple over that... so we have a good selection to choose from.. [b]with "balance" as our key selection tool....[/b] ---------- sorry guys... this is why i stay off the boards and let bill do the talking... i get too long winded about the longhorns.... lol but will welcome any p.m.'s to further talk.... there is always something to learn about cattle..... and yes, i do borrow info from the commercial guys.... they know things that i am willing to learn... grins ---------------------------------- i see myself as a "dragon rider" i see commercial cattle men as "dragon slayers" both deal with dragons! (and most importantly) i see us both dealing with the critters we love.....no matter the color of the hide, the body shape, or the horn or lack of it... we all deal with dragons! and the sharing of info on our dragons is most important! magpie [/QUOTE]
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