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<blockquote data-quote="magpie" data-source="post: 94532" data-attributes="member: 62"><p>an old fairbanks-morse is the platform scale that we just bought this spring. it has been well taken care of, and none of the running gear is bent in anyway. the previous owners had maintained it on a special heavy weight trailer that they had welded up, special for this platform scale. it still had the metal tabs in place, that are used in transport to secure it. so i know i did not damage it in my transporting of it. we now have it on a concrete base.</p><p></p><p>i took a 50 bag of cattle feed out to it today, discovered that it was 4 lbs heavy at 0 weight, and 54 lbs for the bag of feed.</p><p></p><p>fiddled with it enough to get it to register both 0 and 50 lbs now.</p><p></p><p>so that means he weighed 713 lbs instead of the 717 lbs. </p><p></p><p>-----------</p><p></p><p></p><p>i never never said i was considering that red/white young bull as a herd sire. i said he was a better choice for crossbreeding in my comparison with the other calf in the same picture.</p><p></p><p> i took that red/white young bull's dam, and mated her to our black bull, and now have a red/white bull '05 calf from that mating, that i will be able to use as a comparison against the weights and heights that i have already obtained for the '04 1/2 brother. this will let me know how our black bull is doing with the same female.</p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p>our black bull is being used to make sure we dont end up with too much white in our herd, because i have several roan and light colored animals.</p><p></p><p> we have a two young bulls with horn pedigrees, that are a black roan, and a red roan. their pedigrees are an outcross to my black bull's. </p><p></p><p></p><p> he also is being used to make sure i dont end up breeding miniature longhorns</p><p></p><p>he and the two other young bulls, bring name recognition in the top and bottomside of their pedigrees so it will be easier to sell their calves.</p><p></p><p>i have name recognition in most of our female's pedigrees also, so it will be easier to sell the calves.</p><p></p><p>plus by using the black bull, and keeping to fuller bodies in the herd, i have a much better chance of getting rid of the black steer type (roper style) that i took that pic of, for my comparison pic.</p><p></p><p>i am not chasing just horn, i am chasing a complete package, which means i do not want roper style cattle in my herd.</p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p>i am sure that your friend that you spoke of when you were talking about that longhorn cow; and his keeping of all her daughters in his herd had more positive things, i.e. savings over losses... to more than justify the occasional loss due to color at the sale barn, or he would never have kept her and all her daughters. </p><p></p><p>he was enjoying the excellent heterosis they brought to his herd. they saved him more in the calf losses that he was able to avoid, by the use of them in his commerical herd. or he would never have kept them around. </p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p></p><p>as for the box, that is the whole point.. there are many different views depending on how you are looking at it. </p><p></p><p>everybody has their own view, and depending on how they are looking at the box. close up, or further away, to get a better picture. that was the point of that.</p><p></p><p> even with one person, depending on where their focus is, can get a different view. of the same thing.</p><p></p><p>-------------</p><p></p><p>that 700 lb yearling bull will do his job with crossbreeding 1st time heifers, provide excellent heterosis, help them avoid calving problems, have a live healthy calf to sell, and get her ready to breed back in a shorter time frame than she would have, if she had a tramatic calving experience instead. </p><p></p><p>you cant get calves out of a dead 1st time heifer. a dead calf costs you more in the long run than a colored calf would.</p><p></p><p>it takes time, feed, and effort, just to get to the point of having a live calf or a dead calf on the ground.</p><p></p><p>up to that point of the calf being born, alive or dead, it would have cost the same.</p><p></p><p>the live colored calf, is money head in my book, over a dead calf anyday.</p><p></p><p></p><p>magpie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="magpie, post: 94532, member: 62"] an old fairbanks-morse is the platform scale that we just bought this spring. it has been well taken care of, and none of the running gear is bent in anyway. the previous owners had maintained it on a special heavy weight trailer that they had welded up, special for this platform scale. it still had the metal tabs in place, that are used in transport to secure it. so i know i did not damage it in my transporting of it. we now have it on a concrete base. i took a 50 bag of cattle feed out to it today, discovered that it was 4 lbs heavy at 0 weight, and 54 lbs for the bag of feed. fiddled with it enough to get it to register both 0 and 50 lbs now. so that means he weighed 713 lbs instead of the 717 lbs. ----------- i never never said i was considering that red/white young bull as a herd sire. i said he was a better choice for crossbreeding in my comparison with the other calf in the same picture. i took that red/white young bull's dam, and mated her to our black bull, and now have a red/white bull '05 calf from that mating, that i will be able to use as a comparison against the weights and heights that i have already obtained for the '04 1/2 brother. this will let me know how our black bull is doing with the same female. ------------ our black bull is being used to make sure we dont end up with too much white in our herd, because i have several roan and light colored animals. we have a two young bulls with horn pedigrees, that are a black roan, and a red roan. their pedigrees are an outcross to my black bull's. he also is being used to make sure i dont end up breeding miniature longhorns he and the two other young bulls, bring name recognition in the top and bottomside of their pedigrees so it will be easier to sell their calves. i have name recognition in most of our female's pedigrees also, so it will be easier to sell the calves. plus by using the black bull, and keeping to fuller bodies in the herd, i have a much better chance of getting rid of the black steer type (roper style) that i took that pic of, for my comparison pic. i am not chasing just horn, i am chasing a complete package, which means i do not want roper style cattle in my herd. ------------ i am sure that your friend that you spoke of when you were talking about that longhorn cow; and his keeping of all her daughters in his herd had more positive things, i.e. savings over losses... to more than justify the occasional loss due to color at the sale barn, or he would never have kept her and all her daughters. he was enjoying the excellent heterosis they brought to his herd. they saved him more in the calf losses that he was able to avoid, by the use of them in his commerical herd. or he would never have kept them around. ------------ as for the box, that is the whole point.. there are many different views depending on how you are looking at it. everybody has their own view, and depending on how they are looking at the box. close up, or further away, to get a better picture. that was the point of that. even with one person, depending on where their focus is, can get a different view. of the same thing. ------------- that 700 lb yearling bull will do his job with crossbreeding 1st time heifers, provide excellent heterosis, help them avoid calving problems, have a live healthy calf to sell, and get her ready to breed back in a shorter time frame than she would have, if she had a tramatic calving experience instead. you cant get calves out of a dead 1st time heifer. a dead calf costs you more in the long run than a colored calf would. it takes time, feed, and effort, just to get to the point of having a live calf or a dead calf on the ground. up to that point of the calf being born, alive or dead, it would have cost the same. the live colored calf, is money head in my book, over a dead calf anyday. magpie [/QUOTE]
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