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<blockquote data-quote="magpie" data-source="post: 93966" data-attributes="member: 62"><p>this is a bull we are using to add beef to our longhorns, we have 8 spring calves on the ground by him and even tho they are only 42 - 55 lbs at birth, they are growing like weeds. and not only i can see, but others have commented on the fact that his calves are thicker than my other longhorn calves. he is out of a top longhorn sire for the longhorn world </p><p></p><p>and was quote: "OVERWHELMER - is sired by Cowcatcher, out of the famous Doherty 698. Some feel Overwhelmer, a many times World's Champion Sire & World's champion Get of Sire himself, is the superior sire in the history of the breed. He sires size demanded by the commercial and show industry, and he sires horn demanded by those paying the big prices. He combines both opposite segments of the industry in one bull and also consistently sires dark red and spotted animals." unquote</p><p></p><p>we have the only KNOWN solid black son of overwhelmer, we are getting solid colored babies out of solid colored mamas, and fancy colored babies out of mamas that have a lot of white, one solor color baby out of a mama that is approx. 60% white. and a brown calf with a black nose out of him and a solid black mama longhorn, this calf will turn black when she sheds out of her baby coat.</p><p></p><p>yes, even when you mate two solids together, or two fancy colors together you dont know what you get... sometimes that calf doesnt look like either parent in coloring.... that is a longhorn. </p><p></p><p>but surely... having less stress on the first time commerical mama and a live baby on the ground that you can get 300 to 400 dollars at the sale barn at weaning time must be better than.... pulling calves, losing a calf, and/or losing a mama? some monies is better than no monies??? a live mama and calf is better than a dead mama and calf??</p><p></p><p>as a registered longhorn breeder my personal goal is to give the local people around me "another option" to their calving problems. and am working having beefier longhorn bull calves that our local commercial guys can use on their 1st time mamas and not get hit quite so hard when they sell their crossbred calves at weaning time. </p><p></p><p>"with the correct longhorn bull"you can put a calf on the ground and as long as the color doesnt give you away, nobody can tell by looking at them that they are half longhorn.</p><p></p><p>we have a brangus herd nearby that bought one of our young bulls to "lean" out their stock.</p><p></p><p>we have a beefmaster herd that was so tired of pulling calves, (25+) and lost a $1500.00 1st time mama, that he bought a young bull from us. (he told me the value of his cow that he had lost, i didnt pull that figure out of thin air) and the peace of mind that he has by using a longhorn in a terminal cross is worth loosing some monies at the sale barn.</p><p></p><p>and the beefmaster's brother rented a bull of ours for his angus herd.</p><p></p><p>now, this fall, i will go back to these people and ask them how they did selling these longhorn crosses out of "our" longhorns. because i did NOT let them have bulls that were "roper" stock. </p><p></p><p>the roper style stock got banded and either put in the freezer or sold as weanlings to the sale barn. we are not in the "roper" market, and wont let a bull off of our place for commercial breeding unless he has enough beef himself to do a good job as a commercial breeder.</p><p></p><p>we have 3 mamas that give us beefy style babies, because the mamas have show stock pedigrees behind them. </p><p></p><p>it takes careful selection on my part to find these animals, i have spent many hours researching the different lines of longhorns to find what best fits my needs, then i match the mating to the animal and what i think will best work for what that animal is capable of.</p><p></p><p>this is no different than what you commercial guys do with your epd's. we just have an additional color factor to deal with besides culling for conformation, milking ablility, weaning weights, yearling weights, dispostion, etc.</p><p></p><p>the two main reasons in my research that the longhorns almost died out was:</p><p></p><p>1. for the 1800's tallow (fat) was needed for those times, --that is something that the longhorn carries around it's internal organs, not the same as the commercial beef. that is why the commerical breeds were developed, to get that "tallow" content that was needed for those times.</p><p></p><p>2. the longhorns are "highly efficient as a terminal cross", they were used so extensively back in the early days for this, that soon you had to hunt hard to even find full bloods back then. </p><p></p><p></p><p>these facts are not highly known to people that have not taken the trouble to research the longhorns history.</p><p></p><p>yes, without "careful selection" it is easy to miss the advantages that the longhorn can offer.</p><p></p><p>there are longhorn breeders scattered throughout the country that feel as we do, and will treat the longhorn as a beef animal. but the true beauty of the breed is it versatility in all the things it can do, besides just being a pasture ornament.</p><p></p><p>sorry for being long, but you can get beef with your longhorns, you just have to hunt harder to find the animal that will do it for you. but it is possible. </p><p></p><p>at least with my longhorn freezer beef i am not paying the butcher to cut off unnessary fat because it is already naturally lean with less cholesterol than chicken.</p><p></p><p>magpie</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[/img]<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/RunningArrowFarm/JBP5.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="magpie, post: 93966, member: 62"] this is a bull we are using to add beef to our longhorns, we have 8 spring calves on the ground by him and even tho they are only 42 - 55 lbs at birth, they are growing like weeds. and not only i can see, but others have commented on the fact that his calves are thicker than my other longhorn calves. he is out of a top longhorn sire for the longhorn world and was quote: "OVERWHELMER - is sired by Cowcatcher, out of the famous Doherty 698. Some feel Overwhelmer, a many times World's Champion Sire & World's champion Get of Sire himself, is the superior sire in the history of the breed. He sires size demanded by the commercial and show industry, and he sires horn demanded by those paying the big prices. He combines both opposite segments of the industry in one bull and also consistently sires dark red and spotted animals." unquote we have the only KNOWN solid black son of overwhelmer, we are getting solid colored babies out of solid colored mamas, and fancy colored babies out of mamas that have a lot of white, one solor color baby out of a mama that is approx. 60% white. and a brown calf with a black nose out of him and a solid black mama longhorn, this calf will turn black when she sheds out of her baby coat. yes, even when you mate two solids together, or two fancy colors together you dont know what you get... sometimes that calf doesnt look like either parent in coloring.... that is a longhorn. but surely... having less stress on the first time commerical mama and a live baby on the ground that you can get 300 to 400 dollars at the sale barn at weaning time must be better than.... pulling calves, losing a calf, and/or losing a mama? some monies is better than no monies??? a live mama and calf is better than a dead mama and calf?? as a registered longhorn breeder my personal goal is to give the local people around me "another option" to their calving problems. and am working having beefier longhorn bull calves that our local commercial guys can use on their 1st time mamas and not get hit quite so hard when they sell their crossbred calves at weaning time. "with the correct longhorn bull"you can put a calf on the ground and as long as the color doesnt give you away, nobody can tell by looking at them that they are half longhorn. we have a brangus herd nearby that bought one of our young bulls to "lean" out their stock. we have a beefmaster herd that was so tired of pulling calves, (25+) and lost a $1500.00 1st time mama, that he bought a young bull from us. (he told me the value of his cow that he had lost, i didnt pull that figure out of thin air) and the peace of mind that he has by using a longhorn in a terminal cross is worth loosing some monies at the sale barn. and the beefmaster's brother rented a bull of ours for his angus herd. now, this fall, i will go back to these people and ask them how they did selling these longhorn crosses out of "our" longhorns. because i did NOT let them have bulls that were "roper" stock. the roper style stock got banded and either put in the freezer or sold as weanlings to the sale barn. we are not in the "roper" market, and wont let a bull off of our place for commercial breeding unless he has enough beef himself to do a good job as a commercial breeder. we have 3 mamas that give us beefy style babies, because the mamas have show stock pedigrees behind them. it takes careful selection on my part to find these animals, i have spent many hours researching the different lines of longhorns to find what best fits my needs, then i match the mating to the animal and what i think will best work for what that animal is capable of. this is no different than what you commercial guys do with your epd's. we just have an additional color factor to deal with besides culling for conformation, milking ablility, weaning weights, yearling weights, dispostion, etc. the two main reasons in my research that the longhorns almost died out was: 1. for the 1800's tallow (fat) was needed for those times, --that is something that the longhorn carries around it's internal organs, not the same as the commercial beef. that is why the commerical breeds were developed, to get that "tallow" content that was needed for those times. 2. the longhorns are "highly efficient as a terminal cross", they were used so extensively back in the early days for this, that soon you had to hunt hard to even find full bloods back then. these facts are not highly known to people that have not taken the trouble to research the longhorns history. yes, without "careful selection" it is easy to miss the advantages that the longhorn can offer. there are longhorn breeders scattered throughout the country that feel as we do, and will treat the longhorn as a beef animal. but the true beauty of the breed is it versatility in all the things it can do, besides just being a pasture ornament. sorry for being long, but you can get beef with your longhorns, you just have to hunt harder to find the animal that will do it for you. but it is possible. at least with my longhorn freezer beef i am not paying the butcher to cut off unnessary fat because it is already naturally lean with less cholesterol than chicken. magpie [/img][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/RunningArrowFarm/JBP5.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE]
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