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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1822669" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>There is no "discount" on quality off-colored calves. There are people who think that if you could waive a magic wand, and make Certified Angus beef programs dis-appear, that the $1,92 red or white calves in Dave's example would bring the $2 that the black ones in his example does. No, what would happen, is the black calves would also just bring $1.92. The CAB designation is given at slaughter by USDA inspectors. Not every black carcass qualifies, but NO red, white,. or purple ones do. Buyers pay a premium on black calves they THINK stand a chance of making CAB status. It is a gamble, but experienced buyers can pretty much tell which black calves may be CAB qualified, and bid accordingly. A solid black Criolo breed steer, even one de-horned, will not fetch the premium price. Neither will a solid black Holstein. Or Brahma. I see people on here crying and bemoaning that their red, or red & white, or whatever....roan... calves don't bring as much as their blacks,. Well, get a homozygous for black bull! Simple! The destruction of some of the foundation breeds, caused by turning them black ( or so some say) was totally unnecessary. I could take 100 of the original red & white Simmental cows, and get 100 polled black baldy calves. Or 100 of the original red Limosine or Gelbeiv calves, and get 100 black polled calves. And, due to f1 hybrid vigor, they would do better than calves from today's black Simm, Lim or Grelbeiv cows bred to black Simm, LIm or Gelbeiv bulls. </p><p></p><p>There was a neighbor that for years bred Red Angus. As good a cows, raising as good a calves, as any black angus. Better , maybe, than a lot of black angus., His grandson doesn't fool with registering then anymore...just raises commercial red angus that he sells at the sale barns. and his calves brought 20-30 cents less than similar black ones. In 2021 he bought some homozygous for black, Black Herford bulls, and now his black baldies top the sale when he brings them. They do as well or better than traditional black angus-Hereford black baldies. He got Dan to AI two of his red angus cows with sexed Red Brangus semen the other day. He plans on doing one or two each year like that, or maybe use Red Angus semen some times, for replacements. He intends to stick with the red cows, which are doing as well for him as black cows would.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1822669, member: 40587"] There is no "discount" on quality off-colored calves. There are people who think that if you could waive a magic wand, and make Certified Angus beef programs dis-appear, that the $1,92 red or white calves in Dave's example would bring the $2 that the black ones in his example does. No, what would happen, is the black calves would also just bring $1.92. The CAB designation is given at slaughter by USDA inspectors. Not every black carcass qualifies, but NO red, white,. or purple ones do. Buyers pay a premium on black calves they THINK stand a chance of making CAB status. It is a gamble, but experienced buyers can pretty much tell which black calves may be CAB qualified, and bid accordingly. A solid black Criolo breed steer, even one de-horned, will not fetch the premium price. Neither will a solid black Holstein. Or Brahma. I see people on here crying and bemoaning that their red, or red & white, or whatever....roan... calves don't bring as much as their blacks,. Well, get a homozygous for black bull! Simple! The destruction of some of the foundation breeds, caused by turning them black ( or so some say) was totally unnecessary. I could take 100 of the original red & white Simmental cows, and get 100 polled black baldy calves. Or 100 of the original red Limosine or Gelbeiv calves, and get 100 black polled calves. And, due to f1 hybrid vigor, they would do better than calves from today's black Simm, Lim or Grelbeiv cows bred to black Simm, LIm or Gelbeiv bulls. There was a neighbor that for years bred Red Angus. As good a cows, raising as good a calves, as any black angus. Better , maybe, than a lot of black angus., His grandson doesn't fool with registering then anymore...just raises commercial red angus that he sells at the sale barns. and his calves brought 20-30 cents less than similar black ones. In 2021 he bought some homozygous for black, Black Herford bulls, and now his black baldies top the sale when he brings them. They do as well or better than traditional black angus-Hereford black baldies. He got Dan to AI two of his red angus cows with sexed Red Brangus semen the other day. He plans on doing one or two each year like that, or maybe use Red Angus semen some times, for replacements. He intends to stick with the red cows, which are doing as well for him as black cows would. [/QUOTE]
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