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<blockquote data-quote="DOC HARRIS" data-source="post: 140187" data-attributes="member: 1683"><p>lgfarms - If you can get pictures, please get side view, AND rear veiw. That give us a two dimensional aspect, which helps view phenotype. His production #s are only fair, with the exception of BW. AND Scrotal. I know that fertility can be influenced by later matings to more desirable figures, but THIS is the bull you have, and THIS is the bull who is siring your next calf crop, and THIS is the bull who has NEGATIVE ( -.34 ) Scrotal EPD's. YOU are the one who has to contend with that fact in your next calf crop if you are going to retain replacement heifers! </p><p></p><p>His Maternal EPD's are pretty good - Milk is higher than I like generally, however that is typical of 1407 daughters. By comparison with other bulls in the breed currently, I think his Carcass numbers are lousy, with the exception of Marbling. Ultrasound figures are okay. $Values are well within reason except $EN, and that indicates additional feed expenses on your part in the future. May not be a problem to you considering his other virtues, and of course, your COWS EPD's! The biggest error that I have found in talking to breeders regarding choices of Bulls is they neglect to take into consideration the EPD's OF their COWS!!! "A GOOD bull is half of your herd. A POOR bull is your <strong>ENTIRE</strong> herd for as long as you keep his Replacements!" Same thing goes for your cow herd.</p><p></p><p>And, LEE, you are <em>lurching</em> toward putting words in my mouth. I have never minimized the importance of Phenotype. I just emphasize and accentuate EPD considerations in the overall BALANCE of selection. </p><p></p><p>DOC HARRIS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DOC HARRIS, post: 140187, member: 1683"] lgfarms - If you can get pictures, please get side view, AND rear veiw. That give us a two dimensional aspect, which helps view phenotype. His production #s are only fair, with the exception of BW. AND Scrotal. I know that fertility can be influenced by later matings to more desirable figures, but THIS is the bull you have, and THIS is the bull who is siring your next calf crop, and THIS is the bull who has NEGATIVE ( -.34 ) Scrotal EPD's. YOU are the one who has to contend with that fact in your next calf crop if you are going to retain replacement heifers! His Maternal EPD's are pretty good - Milk is higher than I like generally, however that is typical of 1407 daughters. By comparison with other bulls in the breed currently, I think his Carcass numbers are lousy, with the exception of Marbling. Ultrasound figures are okay. $Values are well within reason except $EN, and that indicates additional feed expenses on your part in the future. May not be a problem to you considering his other virtues, and of course, your COWS EPD's! The biggest error that I have found in talking to breeders regarding choices of Bulls is they neglect to take into consideration the EPD's OF their COWS!!! "A GOOD bull is half of your herd. A POOR bull is your [b]ENTIRE[/b] herd for as long as you keep his Replacements!" Same thing goes for your cow herd. And, LEE, you are [i]lurching[/i] toward putting words in my mouth. I have never minimized the importance of Phenotype. I just emphasize and accentuate EPD considerations in the overall BALANCE of selection. DOC HARRIS [/QUOTE]
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