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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1836720" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>I think that red/white might be a holstein/hereford or a jer/hol/hereford. Had a few hereford/hol crosses that were red and white... if the holstein has any red in her genetics they come out red... and if there is any cross with some jersey in it, then the brindle almost always comes out. So the possibility of her dam having been a hol/jer and then bred by a hereford would give you a calf like her coloring. There are also some dairyman that did some crossing with Swedish and Norwegian Reds and Montebeliards... the Mont crosses almost always gave some of the brindle color and they milk good, stay fat on pasture, and had good butterfat... why there weren't more that used it, I don't know. That is my preference for a cross on Holsteins... But the Swedish reds and the Norwegian reds gave some brindling too...Least favorite cross is a jersey/holstein..... like the jersey/guernsey crosses. </p><p></p><p>[USER=39122]@Little Joe[/USER] ; that would probably work with the jersey(s)... all depending on how good they milked and that is something you/she would just have to figure out as the cow was fresh and making milk. I like 3 calves on a cow most time if she is pure dairy... not an angus or hereford or beef cross to where she is half dairy/half beef... they handle 2 calves usually very well.. </p><p>It also depends on the amount and QUALITY of the hay and how much grain the cow is getting. I pushed mine a bit when I was trying to get 6-8 calves a lactation off a cow, 8-12 weeks and switching them out one at a time so that the cow never had to get used to 3 on and then off and 3 new ones... you switch out the biggest for a smaller one gradually... so the newest one does not get too much all at once... and the other bigger ones can take up some slack in the beginning.. it was like a well orchestrated dance in the barn when I was doing that... but I raised alot of calves on the cows back then... Now I just get 2 or 3 established on them and let them raise them out to weaning as it is easier... and the calves really get some growth... if she is milking once a day then the calves will get to stay with the cow 12 hours and off for 12 so she can milk...or whatever schedule she sets....12/12, 11/13, 10/14 .... what she wants.... then turn the calves back in... it might work out better for her with a new baby too, to only milk once a day... the cow will hold the milk a little when first doing it as she wants the calves, but they soon get used to the routine... keep it consistent... even if she is not going to milk one whole day for some reason, the cow should still get brought in and given her normal grain/alfalfa hay/ or whatever she would get while milking... then let her back out with the calves.. I would think that 3 would be better if she is feeding any grain or good hay... I used to feed some grain and give the nurse cows some alfalfa hay in the bunk that they would clean up.... they had decent free choice hay out in the field in a roll... but the high quality/ better protein/nutritional hay in the bunk... they were in for about an hour total from coming in, to getting milked and finishing up the hay... I had the hay in there before I brought them in so they could work on it and then as I got to each one to milk, I would give them grain in front of them... then they could go back to finish up the hay when I went to the next one. It was the routine that really made the difference.... they all had neck chains and got clipped to a short chain at their place in the barn as there are always "pigs" that want to get all they can and push the less aggressive ones out to steal their grain... or even their hay even when there is the same stuff in front of them... so they all got clipped to stay in place... Stanchions would have been better but never could get son to get them put up for me.... lots of things would have made it easier, but there was never time to "do for mom" when I asked... still hasn't changed... now I hire it done because I am not going to wait years for something... I am getting too old and will be dead before he gets to some things... it gets "old" waiting on promises to be kept... </p><p>The road to he// is paved with good intentions... I am tired of "good intentions" that never materialize. There are other things that are good, but sometimes I wonder what it would like to be near the top of the list for things that need doing...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1836720, member: 25884"] I think that red/white might be a holstein/hereford or a jer/hol/hereford. Had a few hereford/hol crosses that were red and white... if the holstein has any red in her genetics they come out red... and if there is any cross with some jersey in it, then the brindle almost always comes out. So the possibility of her dam having been a hol/jer and then bred by a hereford would give you a calf like her coloring. There are also some dairyman that did some crossing with Swedish and Norwegian Reds and Montebeliards... the Mont crosses almost always gave some of the brindle color and they milk good, stay fat on pasture, and had good butterfat... why there weren't more that used it, I don't know. That is my preference for a cross on Holsteins... But the Swedish reds and the Norwegian reds gave some brindling too...Least favorite cross is a jersey/holstein..... like the jersey/guernsey crosses. [USER=39122]@Little Joe[/USER] ; that would probably work with the jersey(s)... all depending on how good they milked and that is something you/she would just have to figure out as the cow was fresh and making milk. I like 3 calves on a cow most time if she is pure dairy... not an angus or hereford or beef cross to where she is half dairy/half beef... they handle 2 calves usually very well.. It also depends on the amount and QUALITY of the hay and how much grain the cow is getting. I pushed mine a bit when I was trying to get 6-8 calves a lactation off a cow, 8-12 weeks and switching them out one at a time so that the cow never had to get used to 3 on and then off and 3 new ones... you switch out the biggest for a smaller one gradually... so the newest one does not get too much all at once... and the other bigger ones can take up some slack in the beginning.. it was like a well orchestrated dance in the barn when I was doing that... but I raised alot of calves on the cows back then... Now I just get 2 or 3 established on them and let them raise them out to weaning as it is easier... and the calves really get some growth... if she is milking once a day then the calves will get to stay with the cow 12 hours and off for 12 so she can milk...or whatever schedule she sets....12/12, 11/13, 10/14 .... what she wants.... then turn the calves back in... it might work out better for her with a new baby too, to only milk once a day... the cow will hold the milk a little when first doing it as she wants the calves, but they soon get used to the routine... keep it consistent... even if she is not going to milk one whole day for some reason, the cow should still get brought in and given her normal grain/alfalfa hay/ or whatever she would get while milking... then let her back out with the calves.. I would think that 3 would be better if she is feeding any grain or good hay... I used to feed some grain and give the nurse cows some alfalfa hay in the bunk that they would clean up.... they had decent free choice hay out in the field in a roll... but the high quality/ better protein/nutritional hay in the bunk... they were in for about an hour total from coming in, to getting milked and finishing up the hay... I had the hay in there before I brought them in so they could work on it and then as I got to each one to milk, I would give them grain in front of them... then they could go back to finish up the hay when I went to the next one. It was the routine that really made the difference.... they all had neck chains and got clipped to a short chain at their place in the barn as there are always "pigs" that want to get all they can and push the less aggressive ones out to steal their grain... or even their hay even when there is the same stuff in front of them... so they all got clipped to stay in place... Stanchions would have been better but never could get son to get them put up for me.... lots of things would have made it easier, but there was never time to "do for mom" when I asked... still hasn't changed... now I hire it done because I am not going to wait years for something... I am getting too old and will be dead before he gets to some things... it gets "old" waiting on promises to be kept... The road to he// is paved with good intentions... I am tired of "good intentions" that never materialize. There are other things that are good, but sometimes I wonder what it would like to be near the top of the list for things that need doing... [/QUOTE]
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