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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1812601" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>[USER=411]@Double R Ranch[/USER] , I too have learned a LOT from [USER=39373]@MurraysMutts[/USER] and [USER=25884]@farmerjan[/USER] about this nirse cow stuff. I am a little worried abut us trying it with 4, though, seeing as how it will be a mentally challenged boy and an old man like me with heart problems doing it. But,1 is due in December, and the other three in April., So, they will have 5 months to work with the first one. And, if trying it with 4 proves to be too much for them to handle, they don't have to put calves on the other three. But. Scott doesn't work off the farm anymore, and Zeke is through school, so they will have plenty of time to take it slow and easy. If grafting calves turns out top be too hard for them to do it will be ok. Zeke will just get four 1/2 Brahma heifers each year to sell or retain. But, with 4 dog-gentle cows like that...2 of them were family hand-milked cows...you hate to not at least try to raise some other calves off of them. Scott and I talked, and if going the nurse cow route turns out to be too hard, we would just keep those 1st two 1/2 Brahma heifers ( and Gail's and the Herf-Guernsey's, too, if they are heifers) and breed them to an Angus the first year. Rest of the time, to one of his brother's Chi-Angus/black Simm/Brangus bulls. We'd keep the heifers off of them til Zeke had up to 20 cows. Scott has a 50 acre Bermuda hayfield that is fenced in and he'd put those 20 on it. He'd then sprig 50 acres of his row crop fields for hay. </p><p></p><p>[USER=968]@Jeanne - Simme Valley[/USER] , I have been thinking a lot about what you said above. For years we have run Corriente cows on 25% protein kudzu, and never had a calf too big for them to birth. Yes, they had bigger calves than Corrs normally do .but none ever had a problem birthing. Not even the heifers, though our heifers were bred to a Co</p><p>rr bull. These cows were bred in May, and mid to end of November, we would move them over to the harvested row crop fields and let them eat residue til February, when we would move them back to the Kudzu and they would calve. So, they ate that high protein Kudzu the first 5-6 months of gestation, but not the last 3 or 4. However, seeing as how 2 of these dairy cows are first calf heifers, and all are bred to a Brahma, I have decided to pull them from the Kudzu field. The Kudzu place will probabl;y be a good choice to put their calves on after weaning, though. I am 200 miles away, and Scott is not in good health after his stroke and his by-passes, and I worry about it being just him and Zeke trying to pull a calf. </p><p></p><p>I sent the last of my special mix down with the heifers. They were responding so well to it. Scott has corn, oats and B.O.S.S in his silos. Peanut oil is plentiful and cheap down there, so we are feeding them this mix. Like me, Scott buys biotin in 50 lb containers, so he adds this to the mix. The cows are doing just as well wit this as they did my mix. Zeke sprays them with fly spray every day when he feeds them. They are more bothered by insects than the Corrs were, but it is easy for him to spray them with a pump up sprayer while they eat. Ad they have to pass under an oiler going in and out of the corral to eat and lick salt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1812601, member: 40587"] [USER=411]@Double R Ranch[/USER] , I too have learned a LOT from [USER=39373]@MurraysMutts[/USER] and [USER=25884]@farmerjan[/USER] about this nirse cow stuff. I am a little worried abut us trying it with 4, though, seeing as how it will be a mentally challenged boy and an old man like me with heart problems doing it. But,1 is due in December, and the other three in April., So, they will have 5 months to work with the first one. And, if trying it with 4 proves to be too much for them to handle, they don't have to put calves on the other three. But. Scott doesn't work off the farm anymore, and Zeke is through school, so they will have plenty of time to take it slow and easy. If grafting calves turns out top be too hard for them to do it will be ok. Zeke will just get four 1/2 Brahma heifers each year to sell or retain. But, with 4 dog-gentle cows like that...2 of them were family hand-milked cows...you hate to not at least try to raise some other calves off of them. Scott and I talked, and if going the nurse cow route turns out to be too hard, we would just keep those 1st two 1/2 Brahma heifers ( and Gail's and the Herf-Guernsey's, too, if they are heifers) and breed them to an Angus the first year. Rest of the time, to one of his brother's Chi-Angus/black Simm/Brangus bulls. We'd keep the heifers off of them til Zeke had up to 20 cows. Scott has a 50 acre Bermuda hayfield that is fenced in and he'd put those 20 on it. He'd then sprig 50 acres of his row crop fields for hay. [USER=968]@Jeanne - Simme Valley[/USER] , I have been thinking a lot about what you said above. For years we have run Corriente cows on 25% protein kudzu, and never had a calf too big for them to birth. Yes, they had bigger calves than Corrs normally do .but none ever had a problem birthing. Not even the heifers, though our heifers were bred to a Co rr bull. These cows were bred in May, and mid to end of November, we would move them over to the harvested row crop fields and let them eat residue til February, when we would move them back to the Kudzu and they would calve. So, they ate that high protein Kudzu the first 5-6 months of gestation, but not the last 3 or 4. However, seeing as how 2 of these dairy cows are first calf heifers, and all are bred to a Brahma, I have decided to pull them from the Kudzu field. The Kudzu place will probabl;y be a good choice to put their calves on after weaning, though. I am 200 miles away, and Scott is not in good health after his stroke and his by-passes, and I worry about it being just him and Zeke trying to pull a calf. I sent the last of my special mix down with the heifers. They were responding so well to it. Scott has corn, oats and B.O.S.S in his silos. Peanut oil is plentiful and cheap down there, so we are feeding them this mix. Like me, Scott buys biotin in 50 lb containers, so he adds this to the mix. The cows are doing just as well wit this as they did my mix. Zeke sprays them with fly spray every day when he feeds them. They are more bothered by insects than the Corrs were, but it is easy for him to spray them with a pump up sprayer while they eat. Ad they have to pass under an oiler going in and out of the corral to eat and lick salt. [/QUOTE]
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