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<blockquote data-quote="Ebenezer" data-source="post: 1638294" data-attributes="member: 24565"><p>This is a discussion of extremes. </p><p></p><p>Like BFE said, you have to think before you buy. </p><p></p><p>The bunk on black cows is just that. Read the original research literature and the hair and frame score was more important than the color. </p><p></p><p>Heat, humidity, fescue, flies: we specialize in them all. What do we have? All registered Angus. What have we done? Studied, bred and selected. Cows and bulls are grazing most of the day as needed. Sure, we provide shade and they use it. I like shade, too! Average calf growth for the conditions from Feb/March calving thru weaning averages about 2.25 pounds per day from past years on pastures. Breed back is good. This year's calving season lasted a whopping 46 days. Some cows going on 15 YO and doing fine from 1100 to 1475 pounds. Where do we look for replacements? Those types of cows. "Like begets like." It's not just a blanket statement type issue. I've been in AR and seen registered Angus that functioned fine there on fescue. They were much like ours in type and selection. The type: Bonsma selection type. Early shedding plus much more. </p><p></p><p>It is not about extremes or following a guru. It is a business. What sells? What makes a loss? A loss here, guaranteed, is a short framed off type, off color calf. What do commercial breeders not want: short framed, off type, off color bulls and females. Sure, short farmed cattle fatten quicker if you want freezer beef to be your business. But the buyers do not want extreme fat. So that has limits, too.</p><p></p><p>Fit the cattle to what you have. The bull of the month "mainstream" as you call them are sourcing to registered breeders with a average time of herd existence of 7 years or less. If you want those bulls and what they can do for you as a commercial breeder, find out all that they do. They only tell you the good. But if the growth and milk EPDs are increased and you get problems that were not disclosed, you pay for it. Either on the calf's extra growth thru weaning and demanding extra milk and feed (will see lower breed back) or in keeping the heifers, extra culling and seeing them grow to be blimps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ebenezer, post: 1638294, member: 24565"] This is a discussion of extremes. Like BFE said, you have to think before you buy. The bunk on black cows is just that. Read the original research literature and the hair and frame score was more important than the color. Heat, humidity, fescue, flies: we specialize in them all. What do we have? All registered Angus. What have we done? Studied, bred and selected. Cows and bulls are grazing most of the day as needed. Sure, we provide shade and they use it. I like shade, too! Average calf growth for the conditions from Feb/March calving thru weaning averages about 2.25 pounds per day from past years on pastures. Breed back is good. This year's calving season lasted a whopping 46 days. Some cows going on 15 YO and doing fine from 1100 to 1475 pounds. Where do we look for replacements? Those types of cows. "Like begets like." It's not just a blanket statement type issue. I've been in AR and seen registered Angus that functioned fine there on fescue. They were much like ours in type and selection. The type: Bonsma selection type. Early shedding plus much more. It is not about extremes or following a guru. It is a business. What sells? What makes a loss? A loss here, guaranteed, is a short framed off type, off color calf. What do commercial breeders not want: short framed, off type, off color bulls and females. Sure, short farmed cattle fatten quicker if you want freezer beef to be your business. But the buyers do not want extreme fat. So that has limits, too. Fit the cattle to what you have. The bull of the month "mainstream" as you call them are sourcing to registered breeders with a average time of herd existence of 7 years or less. If you want those bulls and what they can do for you as a commercial breeder, find out all that they do. They only tell you the good. But if the growth and milk EPDs are increased and you get problems that were not disclosed, you pay for it. Either on the calf's extra growth thru weaning and demanding extra milk and feed (will see lower breed back) or in keeping the heifers, extra culling and seeing them grow to be blimps. [/QUOTE]
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