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<blockquote data-quote="KNERSIE" data-source="post: 641451" data-attributes="member: 4353"><p>Like begets like.</p><p></p><p>Go ahead and try and breed from the runts if you like, if your contemporary groups are chosen "wisely" you may even achieve your goal of raising the EPDs of such offspring, but don't be surprised if they never achieve acceptance from the bullbuyers or ever quite reach the performance heights you hoped for. (and no, I am not going to tell you how to choose this contemporary groups for the best effect as I am not going to help anyone cheat the system, but do take note that the system can be cheated)</p><p></p><p>Dan, the sooner you learn more about phenotype and why certain things are important and under which conditions certain traits aren't even negotiable, the less time you'll waste in getting to your goal of a top herd. Quality should always be the no 1 priority if longevity in this business is your goal. Take some time and look through Reed's online directory, there you'll find many bulls that had great numbers at the time. With time and more proven progeny most never quite reached the heights expected of them. Every one of them was "just what the industry needed at the time" if you look at those photos now all you'll see is bad phenotype and it will become clear that those bulls never made a lasting impression.</p><p></p><p>The great performance bulls of the 70's and 80's that made a lasting impression all had acceptable phenotype. It may not be close to ideal, but atleast acceptable. </p><p></p><p>I mean this as nicely as possible, but you and Brandonm22 aren't busy with groundbreaking work, many more before you had the same beliefs and goals and the same "understanding" of breeding values. Very few of those that put performance before quality survived long enough in the business to tell the tale.</p><p></p><p>Take from this discussion what you want, but I do suggest reading everything very carefully and only read what the rest of us "fools, non-believers, non-graspers" or whatever you want to call us had written and not what you believed at the time we had written.</p><p></p><p>On the positive side I think you might atleast have one potential buyer ;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KNERSIE, post: 641451, member: 4353"] Like begets like. Go ahead and try and breed from the runts if you like, if your contemporary groups are chosen "wisely" you may even achieve your goal of raising the EPDs of such offspring, but don't be surprised if they never achieve acceptance from the bullbuyers or ever quite reach the performance heights you hoped for. (and no, I am not going to tell you how to choose this contemporary groups for the best effect as I am not going to help anyone cheat the system, but do take note that the system can be cheated) Dan, the sooner you learn more about phenotype and why certain things are important and under which conditions certain traits aren't even negotiable, the less time you'll waste in getting to your goal of a top herd. Quality should always be the no 1 priority if longevity in this business is your goal. Take some time and look through Reed's online directory, there you'll find many bulls that had great numbers at the time. With time and more proven progeny most never quite reached the heights expected of them. Every one of them was "just what the industry needed at the time" if you look at those photos now all you'll see is bad phenotype and it will become clear that those bulls never made a lasting impression. The great performance bulls of the 70's and 80's that made a lasting impression all had acceptable phenotype. It may not be close to ideal, but atleast acceptable. I mean this as nicely as possible, but you and Brandonm22 aren't busy with groundbreaking work, many more before you had the same beliefs and goals and the same "understanding" of breeding values. Very few of those that put performance before quality survived long enough in the business to tell the tale. Take from this discussion what you want, but I do suggest reading everything very carefully and only read what the rest of us "fools, non-believers, non-graspers" or whatever you want to call us had written and not what you believed at the time we had written. On the positive side I think you might atleast have one potential buyer ;-) [/QUOTE]
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