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<blockquote data-quote="Herefords.US" data-source="post: 641193" data-attributes="member: 3972"><p>Jim, I think keeping "within" herd records is a great idea and the more measurements you can take and data you can collect the better. Such information is far more valuable than EPDs in my book.</p><p></p><p>Cow efficiency (cow weight to calf weaning weight) is something without an EPD for it. I know several breeders who have kept such records for years though, and I think it's very useful information to have. Cow efficiency is certainly something I like to consider. In fact one of the many reasons I was drawn to these three flush brothers is because their maternal granddam was Colyer's most "efficient" cow in the years that she was in production. She wasn't the prettiest cow in the pasture either - but I'd love to have a pasture full just like her. Now all the EPD believers can look at her EPDs, and her, and then wonder why!</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C23262359262720" target="_blank">http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C23262359262720</a></p><p></p><p><img src="http://hereford.com/images/sales/2002/02heifersale/2003/6047.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Hint: Look at the progeny data in her performance pedigree!</p><p></p><p>I tried to buy a Pure Gold son out of her in Colyer's sale last year, but W4 Ranch had more money than I did and owns him now.</p><p></p><p>As for your bull's records, unless you are also going to use another Hereford bull, preferably a proven one via AI, your bull's calves will always average 100% on all traits and I don't think reporting it would affect his EPDs at all. If it ups their accuracy levels, I'd consider that to be another flaw in the system. Outside influences from relatives will continue to affect his EPDs (and their accuracy)slightly over time, but he's pretty well stuck where he is....unless he and/or his progeny are in a situation where they are able to be compared with other Herefords within the same contemporary group. I know some changes are in the pipeline that I haven't looked at or heard about, so I could be wrong here. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am!</p><p></p><p>George</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herefords.US, post: 641193, member: 3972"] Jim, I think keeping "within" herd records is a great idea and the more measurements you can take and data you can collect the better. Such information is far more valuable than EPDs in my book. Cow efficiency (cow weight to calf weaning weight) is something without an EPD for it. I know several breeders who have kept such records for years though, and I think it's very useful information to have. Cow efficiency is certainly something I like to consider. In fact one of the many reasons I was drawn to these three flush brothers is because their maternal granddam was Colyer's most "efficient" cow in the years that she was in production. She wasn't the prettiest cow in the pasture either - but I'd love to have a pasture full just like her. Now all the EPD believers can look at her EPDs, and her, and then wonder why! [url]http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C23262359262720[/url] [img]http://hereford.com/images/sales/2002/02heifersale/2003/6047.jpg[/img] Hint: Look at the progeny data in her performance pedigree! I tried to buy a Pure Gold son out of her in Colyer's sale last year, but W4 Ranch had more money than I did and owns him now. As for your bull's records, unless you are also going to use another Hereford bull, preferably a proven one via AI, your bull's calves will always average 100% on all traits and I don't think reporting it would affect his EPDs at all. If it ups their accuracy levels, I'd consider that to be another flaw in the system. Outside influences from relatives will continue to affect his EPDs (and their accuracy)slightly over time, but he's pretty well stuck where he is....unless he and/or his progeny are in a situation where they are able to be compared with other Herefords within the same contemporary group. I know some changes are in the pipeline that I haven't looked at or heard about, so I could be wrong here. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am! George [/QUOTE]
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