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<blockquote data-quote="elkwc" data-source="post: 1800493" data-attributes="member: 22295"><p>I'm late to the game but will add my 2 cents. I knew the GAR cattle for over 30 years. The cattle today aren't what Henry and his sister had then. Back then they were what most commercial cattle men and women wanted. Deep, soggy, efficient, good feet and legs, easy fleshing cows. Since the boys took over they have changed drastically. The town I lived in west of them 100 miles was on a main highway from the OK Panhandle and NM. On the morning of their sale it would be a steady stream of trucks and trailers headed to their sale. When I left 5 years ago you might see 3-5. As they moved towards carcass and low BW others issues came in. Bad feet and legs, docility, ect. They became tied to the big 4 packers and moved away from the needs of the commercial breeder. Then Mark's testimony in Washington finished my interest and that of many breeders I know in their cattle. I know of vets that stayed busy trimming feet in their genetics. </p><p>About 3-4 years ago I bought 2 registered cows bred to a top ET son of Sunrise. Liked the cows so bought them. Got one bull calf and one heifer calf. The heifer is an average cow at best. Too refined for me. Used the bull as a heifer bull. Never pulled a calf. Got tired of looking at him and the low quality and lack of growth of his calves. Sold him last week. I know those who have fed their genetics. They say the cost of gain is higher on them. I know what we had and those I've seen is they wean lighter. They have less growth. I know breeders who feed efficiency test all their bulls. They have sampled GAR genetics. They don't top the tests I've seen for growth or efficiency. </p><p>We have never used any Coleman genetics so can't comment on them. We are trying some SAV genetics. So far they seem to do well in our low input system. Easy fleshing, efficient cattle with growth. Our issue is finding enough frame. In our rough terrain belly staggers don't work. We want them deep but with enough air they can maneuver around and over boulders. The Hoover Dams have been our most consistent bloodline that produces growth and also sound maternal females. We AIed on a small scale the last few years trying to find 1-2 new bloodlines that will work for us. So far satisfied with the Growth Funds. We bought a son that was 2nd high indexing bull on test. His first calves look great. He is out of a 12 y/o Bismarck daughter. In 22 we AIed too 5-6 new sires in a limited basis. We have a real good Brown's Double Decker bull calf. Finding what works best for a breeder in his environment and market never ends. In closing will say the GAR bred commercial calves I've seen bring less and have less growth. I'm sure there are exceptions. What I've seen and the 2 we had looked like Black Wagyu's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elkwc, post: 1800493, member: 22295"] I’m late to the game but will add my 2 cents. I knew the GAR cattle for over 30 years. The cattle today aren’t what Henry and his sister had then. Back then they were what most commercial cattle men and women wanted. Deep, soggy, efficient, good feet and legs, easy fleshing cows. Since the boys took over they have changed drastically. The town I lived in west of them 100 miles was on a main highway from the OK Panhandle and NM. On the morning of their sale it would be a steady stream of trucks and trailers headed to their sale. When I left 5 years ago you might see 3-5. As they moved towards carcass and low BW others issues came in. Bad feet and legs, docility, ect. They became tied to the big 4 packers and moved away from the needs of the commercial breeder. Then Mark’s testimony in Washington finished my interest and that of many breeders I know in their cattle. I know of vets that stayed busy trimming feet in their genetics. About 3-4 years ago I bought 2 registered cows bred to a top ET son of Sunrise. Liked the cows so bought them. Got one bull calf and one heifer calf. The heifer is an average cow at best. Too refined for me. Used the bull as a heifer bull. Never pulled a calf. Got tired of looking at him and the low quality and lack of growth of his calves. Sold him last week. I know those who have fed their genetics. They say the cost of gain is higher on them. I know what we had and those I’ve seen is they wean lighter. They have less growth. I know breeders who feed efficiency test all their bulls. They have sampled GAR genetics. They don’t top the tests I’ve seen for growth or efficiency. We have never used any Coleman genetics so can’t comment on them. We are trying some SAV genetics. So far they seem to do well in our low input system. Easy fleshing, efficient cattle with growth. Our issue is finding enough frame. In our rough terrain belly staggers don’t work. We want them deep but with enough air they can maneuver around and over boulders. The Hoover Dams have been our most consistent bloodline that produces growth and also sound maternal females. We AIed on a small scale the last few years trying to find 1-2 new bloodlines that will work for us. So far satisfied with the Growth Funds. We bought a son that was 2nd high indexing bull on test. His first calves look great. He is out of a 12 y/o Bismarck daughter. In 22 we AIed too 5-6 new sires in a limited basis. We have a real good Brown’s Double Decker bull calf. Finding what works best for a breeder in his environment and market never ends. In closing will say the GAR bred commercial calves I’ve seen bring less and have less growth. I’m sure there are exceptions. What I’ve seen and the 2 we had looked like Black Wagyu’s. [/QUOTE]
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