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<blockquote data-quote="wbvs58" data-source="post: 1755751" data-attributes="member: 16453"><p>I don't doubt that there are a lot of cause and effect from many chemicals we use and industrial waste products but back to what we do and that is raise cattle I have not seen these defects in cattle I raise here, anecdotally just like you described J Hoy in the animals on your farm when you were growing up. Nor have I read on these pages these bite defects that you are talking about with every calf born dead or weak that is occaisionally talked about. You say that these things never happened before the introduction of these chemicals but what is the baseline? Like most things once you start looking a lot of marginal things crop up but all these defects you describe did occur well before the dates that you quote. I have photos and descriptions in all my old textbooks that well and truly predate the introduction of these chemicals. It is just that the chemicals are now a good scapegoat for them. I keep an open mind on this subject and don't discount their effect, you are obviously very passionate about this, I find that reality is often somewhere in the middle.</p><p>Can the world afford to stop using chemicals for food production? I feel that the supply and demand for food is very delicately poised at the moment. Yes we can produce food without using chemicals but will we produce enough and if there is a shortfall are we prepared for the famine in some countries that are always teetering on the borderline. I guess it gets down to the fact that our paddock, planet earth is over stocked and until governments do something to curb population growth with birth control then the problem is going to get worse.</p><p></p><p>Ken</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wbvs58, post: 1755751, member: 16453"] I don't doubt that there are a lot of cause and effect from many chemicals we use and industrial waste products but back to what we do and that is raise cattle I have not seen these defects in cattle I raise here, anecdotally just like you described J Hoy in the animals on your farm when you were growing up. Nor have I read on these pages these bite defects that you are talking about with every calf born dead or weak that is occaisionally talked about. You say that these things never happened before the introduction of these chemicals but what is the baseline? Like most things once you start looking a lot of marginal things crop up but all these defects you describe did occur well before the dates that you quote. I have photos and descriptions in all my old textbooks that well and truly predate the introduction of these chemicals. It is just that the chemicals are now a good scapegoat for them. I keep an open mind on this subject and don't discount their effect, you are obviously very passionate about this, I find that reality is often somewhere in the middle. Can the world afford to stop using chemicals for food production? I feel that the supply and demand for food is very delicately poised at the moment. Yes we can produce food without using chemicals but will we produce enough and if there is a shortfall are we prepared for the famine in some countries that are always teetering on the borderline. I guess it gets down to the fact that our paddock, planet earth is over stocked and until governments do something to curb population growth with birth control then the problem is going to get worse. Ken [/QUOTE]
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