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<blockquote data-quote="Rydero" data-source="post: 1665909" data-attributes="member: 38101"><p>You seem to be making some valid points but it's very difficult to quantify anything with so many assumptions and generalizations. It matters a lot where his protein level is at because you're contending they're at a point where they'll consume less dm but we don't know that's true and you don't say by what percent consumption will drop off. You also make a statement my program doesn't account for that but do you actually know? </p><p></p><p>I wasn't given any actual numbers to work with - it was mentioned this stockpile may have been growing as late as last week so I bumped the protein and TDN a little higher than I'd expect to see in dried old grass. If you're right and the TDN is way lower the cattle are already losing weight mostly due to lack of energy which the liquid won't address because they don't consume enough of it. In that case feed that contains energy and protein (grain) fed in amounts to supply the needed energy would be a better investment than basically supplying only protein. </p><p></p><p>You may know more about feeding cattle nutrient deficient diets - we generally use the software and feed tests to balance our rations so sub optimal protein levels aren't a problem. We balance the ration then play with it to drive the cost down. I have had experience and success with putting cattle on rations that have them losing weight very slowly (like the examples) temporarily if it saves enough $. </p><p></p><p>In my experience of feed testing all feeds and making rations for multiple classes of cattle both for myself and my employer I've never found a ration that was made cheaper or balanced when it couldn't be another way using licks or liquid protein that's just the truth and my 10 cents. To each his own, I don't stand to gain anything by anyone else saving money.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rydero, post: 1665909, member: 38101"] You seem to be making some valid points but it's very difficult to quantify anything with so many assumptions and generalizations. It matters a lot where his protein level is at because you're contending they're at a point where they'll consume less dm but we don't know that's true and you don't say by what percent consumption will drop off. You also make a statement my program doesn't account for that but do you actually know? I wasn't given any actual numbers to work with - it was mentioned this stockpile may have been growing as late as last week so I bumped the protein and TDN a little higher than I'd expect to see in dried old grass. If you're right and the TDN is way lower the cattle are already losing weight mostly due to lack of energy which the liquid won't address because they don't consume enough of it. In that case feed that contains energy and protein (grain) fed in amounts to supply the needed energy would be a better investment than basically supplying only protein. You may know more about feeding cattle nutrient deficient diets - we generally use the software and feed tests to balance our rations so sub optimal protein levels aren't a problem. We balance the ration then play with it to drive the cost down. I have had experience and success with putting cattle on rations that have them losing weight very slowly (like the examples) temporarily if it saves enough $. In my experience of feed testing all feeds and making rations for multiple classes of cattle both for myself and my employer I've never found a ration that was made cheaper or balanced when it couldn't be another way using licks or liquid protein that's just the truth and my 10 cents. To each his own, I don't stand to gain anything by anyone else saving money. [/QUOTE]
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