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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1387497" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>Farmerjan-Sure any producer can take his cows off when he or she wants. There is a standard in registered cattle about weaning weights. The agreed number of days that a calf should be weaned is 205. In my breed, weights are allowed to be turned in no earlier than 140days for weaning, and no more than 270 days for weaning. Yearling weights can be turned in between 270 days of age and 430 days of age, but there must be at minimum 70 days between the two weights. Those numbers provided to the association by the producer are then made the same by ratio of 205 day standard for weaning weight.</p><p>For instance,if my straggler bull was around 450lbs at 180days he would likely get a 205 weaning weight of about 512 lbs. If my neighbor used the same standards as the bull producers he buys from(not me by the way,he likes hair color that is not white) he would brag about his 5 weight calfs he just sold. How? If he is selling 7.5 weights at 300 days old, they would ratio around 512lb 205 weights just like my straggler.</p><p></p><p>Now, for me economics are different than some. But I know that buyers dont go bid happy on sale day when the 205 on the bull in the sale ring is less than 6 weight. I may be better to cull the little guy now, than to spend time and resources to get him to "catch up" only to take a subpar sale price that does not offset the inputs used.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, that was not my point really so I will say that I gave a bad example. What I was asking is in a tight bred herd of moderate size should I expect the calfs to reach 50% of their finished weight in the first 200 days of their life without a cost somewhere? Also, what do others think would be a reasonable expectation within that context.</p><p></p><p>I might be able to sell some mid 5 weights with tight pedigrees if I can find buyers that understand prepotency. But I know a lot of commercial breeders who are pounded with "more-more-more" at every cattlemens meeting, in every sales catalog, and by their peers. So much so that they are willing to keep their calfs longer than they should just to have the "right weights" on their sale day.There ears are not filled with things like prepotency as much as outcross I dont think.</p><p></p><p>Walnut Crest-I am interested in your method of in herd comparison. The next time I get calfs in a contemporary I may give that a try for curiosity. I like to see how things like that compare to genetic testing and breed ratios in a contemporary group.</p><p></p><p>Cotton1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1387497, member: 14689"] Farmerjan-Sure any producer can take his cows off when he or she wants. There is a standard in registered cattle about weaning weights. The agreed number of days that a calf should be weaned is 205. In my breed, weights are allowed to be turned in no earlier than 140days for weaning, and no more than 270 days for weaning. Yearling weights can be turned in between 270 days of age and 430 days of age, but there must be at minimum 70 days between the two weights. Those numbers provided to the association by the producer are then made the same by ratio of 205 day standard for weaning weight. For instance,if my straggler bull was around 450lbs at 180days he would likely get a 205 weaning weight of about 512 lbs. If my neighbor used the same standards as the bull producers he buys from(not me by the way,he likes hair color that is not white) he would brag about his 5 weight calfs he just sold. How? If he is selling 7.5 weights at 300 days old, they would ratio around 512lb 205 weights just like my straggler. Now, for me economics are different than some. But I know that buyers dont go bid happy on sale day when the 205 on the bull in the sale ring is less than 6 weight. I may be better to cull the little guy now, than to spend time and resources to get him to "catch up" only to take a subpar sale price that does not offset the inputs used. Anyway, that was not my point really so I will say that I gave a bad example. What I was asking is in a tight bred herd of moderate size should I expect the calfs to reach 50% of their finished weight in the first 200 days of their life without a cost somewhere? Also, what do others think would be a reasonable expectation within that context. I might be able to sell some mid 5 weights with tight pedigrees if I can find buyers that understand prepotency. But I know a lot of commercial breeders who are pounded with "more-more-more" at every cattlemens meeting, in every sales catalog, and by their peers. So much so that they are willing to keep their calfs longer than they should just to have the "right weights" on their sale day.There ears are not filled with things like prepotency as much as outcross I dont think. Walnut Crest-I am interested in your method of in herd comparison. The next time I get calfs in a contemporary I may give that a try for curiosity. I like to see how things like that compare to genetic testing and breed ratios in a contemporary group. Cotton1 [/QUOTE]
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