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<blockquote data-quote="pdfangus" data-source="post: 929744" data-attributes="member: 6543"><p>Not picking at you Knersie.....</p><p></p><p>picking at the ridculous level of vitriol that is generated by the discussion.</p><p>there is much that could be learned by a reasoned discussion of relative strengths and weaknesses but here it too often gets lost in the name calling.</p><p></p><p>I am somewhat old school....many many years ago my alma mater did a controlled study using the university hereford herd. They selected one line of cattle based on performance and they selected another based on type. Study began in the fifties. by the seventies, when I was there, the differences in the two lines would blow you away....</p><p></p><p>The cattle selected only for performance were larger, more productive, more correct and better in every way than the line selected for type. </p><p></p><p>So I developed the rationale that an ability to understand the function of form is needed.... and yes I participated in judging and was deemed at one time to be pretty good......</p><p>but that the function of the form was more important.</p><p></p><p>qubiling over things like taihead set is an exercise in futility.</p><p></p><p>I recall a herd of cows that had very level rumps and a forward tail head set with little slope from the hooks to the pins. everyone said they would not breed well for sanitary reasons and that they would be hard calving. Only trouble was they were as fertile as rabbits and very productive with very little calving difficulty even when bred to the big bulls of the day.</p><p></p><p>conventional wisdom is not always convenient or correct and man has been debating the structure of animals for centuries. As long as the debate and differences are for a function there is merit.</p><p></p><p>when the debate is over a mere fad or opinion, the merit is difficult to distinguish from the meaningless.</p><p></p><p>examples....</p><p></p><p>hip problems in germans shepherds caused by show judges.</p><p>australian shepherds who could not herd a cat...caused by show judges who want white collars and big dogs.</p><p>club calves who are kept in coolers to grow hair to hide faults. we all know what a valuable commodity beef hair is.</p><p>walking horses who have gone in my lifetime from nice big comfortable fairly correct and sane horses to either little small paints or big long legged narrow moto cross horses. many without a brain.</p><p>peanut rolling ewe necked quarter horses. Not all quarter horses just those of the show ring.</p><p>cutting horses that are bred and taught to mirror a cow rather than controlling it....and their trainers and riders who don't know a cow from a steer.</p><p></p><p>I will quit now.....go to go to work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pdfangus, post: 929744, member: 6543"] Not picking at you Knersie..... picking at the ridculous level of vitriol that is generated by the discussion. there is much that could be learned by a reasoned discussion of relative strengths and weaknesses but here it too often gets lost in the name calling. I am somewhat old school....many many years ago my alma mater did a controlled study using the university hereford herd. They selected one line of cattle based on performance and they selected another based on type. Study began in the fifties. by the seventies, when I was there, the differences in the two lines would blow you away.... The cattle selected only for performance were larger, more productive, more correct and better in every way than the line selected for type. So I developed the rationale that an ability to understand the function of form is needed.... and yes I participated in judging and was deemed at one time to be pretty good...... but that the function of the form was more important. qubiling over things like taihead set is an exercise in futility. I recall a herd of cows that had very level rumps and a forward tail head set with little slope from the hooks to the pins. everyone said they would not breed well for sanitary reasons and that they would be hard calving. Only trouble was they were as fertile as rabbits and very productive with very little calving difficulty even when bred to the big bulls of the day. conventional wisdom is not always convenient or correct and man has been debating the structure of animals for centuries. As long as the debate and differences are for a function there is merit. when the debate is over a mere fad or opinion, the merit is difficult to distinguish from the meaningless. examples.... hip problems in germans shepherds caused by show judges. australian shepherds who could not herd a cat...caused by show judges who want white collars and big dogs. club calves who are kept in coolers to grow hair to hide faults. we all know what a valuable commodity beef hair is. walking horses who have gone in my lifetime from nice big comfortable fairly correct and sane horses to either little small paints or big long legged narrow moto cross horses. many without a brain. peanut rolling ewe necked quarter horses. Not all quarter horses just those of the show ring. cutting horses that are bred and taught to mirror a cow rather than controlling it....and their trainers and riders who don't know a cow from a steer. I will quit now.....go to go to work. [/QUOTE]
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