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<blockquote data-quote="cowtrek" data-source="post: 258574" data-attributes="member: 2847"><p>The Center for Grazingland and Ranch Management posting board had some good information on it about Overton R-18 Rose Clover on it. Pretty good information over there. I asked Dr. Bade and Dr. Redmon about it and from what I heard they mainly recommend it for East Texas areas, more red acidic soils and such, if I remember correctly. It's pretty pricey and kinda hard to find too. I tried some Apache Arrowleaf clover this past winter and didn't have much luck, but it was dry as a bone most of the winter here and I planted way later than I should hoping for rain. Maybe some will come in this fall from it, guess we'll see. It's quite a bit higher than Louisiana S-1 Little Dutch white clover but is supposed to grow a LOT taller and better yielding. Mine was uninoculated, ordered it from the feed store, so I'm sure if you want to let the cows plant it you can order some from a feedstore without the coating. I just whirlybirded mine on with a spreader and some ryegrass seed. I got the powdered inoculant with it (ground peat) and mixed it in a bucket after pouring a coca-cola over it for a sticker. </p><p>As to the original question, most legumes will inoculate to some degree without inoculant, but they nodule MUCH better with the PROPER inoculant. There are different kinds of inoculants and the wrong one will do nothing for you. The inoculant is a type of soil bacteria, hence they are fairly likely to be present in the soil, depending on rainfall, moisture, saturation, pH, past history of growing clovers, etc. Inoculating the seed just allows a head start since the right bacteria is present with the seed in the root area and makes for quick establishment of a nodulating bacterial colony on the roots. The wrong bacteria can infect the roots and prevent effective nodulation too, so I've read. For the cost of inoculant, most recommend inoculating all seed as it's planted to give it the best chance. I don't know if seed inoculant bacteria would survive a trip through the cow, seems like the acidity or rumen bacteria or the digestive conditions would either kill it or overwhelm it to the point of ineffectiveness. Don't know if it'd interfere with the rumen bacteria in the cow either, though I doubt it. </p><p></p><p>Feeding clover seed in the mineral is an old timers trick. If you haven't had the clover your feeding on the field before, you can always inoculate later. All you have to do is ride around and sprinkle a little inoculant on the ground in the clover and scratch the dirt bit with a rake or drag. You need to mix the inoculant into the soil so sunlight won't kill it on the soil surface. Might not work as well as properly inoculated and properly planted seed, but if the cows are planting it for you you're not going to have an even broadcast stand anyway. You could do the same with volunteer stands spread by the cows. Like I said not as good as properly inoculated planted seed but it should help nodulation. Best way to see is to dig up a couple plants and carefully inspect the roots for nodules. Pinch or cut the nodules open and they should be pink to red inside if they are really fixing N well, if they're gray inside they aren't fixing much N. N fixation is dependent on the amount of N in the soil already if I remember right so fertilized fields may not fix much anyway. </p><p></p><p>Hope this helps! OL JR <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cowtrek, post: 258574, member: 2847"] The Center for Grazingland and Ranch Management posting board had some good information on it about Overton R-18 Rose Clover on it. Pretty good information over there. I asked Dr. Bade and Dr. Redmon about it and from what I heard they mainly recommend it for East Texas areas, more red acidic soils and such, if I remember correctly. It's pretty pricey and kinda hard to find too. I tried some Apache Arrowleaf clover this past winter and didn't have much luck, but it was dry as a bone most of the winter here and I planted way later than I should hoping for rain. Maybe some will come in this fall from it, guess we'll see. It's quite a bit higher than Louisiana S-1 Little Dutch white clover but is supposed to grow a LOT taller and better yielding. Mine was uninoculated, ordered it from the feed store, so I'm sure if you want to let the cows plant it you can order some from a feedstore without the coating. I just whirlybirded mine on with a spreader and some ryegrass seed. I got the powdered inoculant with it (ground peat) and mixed it in a bucket after pouring a coca-cola over it for a sticker. As to the original question, most legumes will inoculate to some degree without inoculant, but they nodule MUCH better with the PROPER inoculant. There are different kinds of inoculants and the wrong one will do nothing for you. The inoculant is a type of soil bacteria, hence they are fairly likely to be present in the soil, depending on rainfall, moisture, saturation, pH, past history of growing clovers, etc. Inoculating the seed just allows a head start since the right bacteria is present with the seed in the root area and makes for quick establishment of a nodulating bacterial colony on the roots. The wrong bacteria can infect the roots and prevent effective nodulation too, so I've read. For the cost of inoculant, most recommend inoculating all seed as it's planted to give it the best chance. I don't know if seed inoculant bacteria would survive a trip through the cow, seems like the acidity or rumen bacteria or the digestive conditions would either kill it or overwhelm it to the point of ineffectiveness. Don't know if it'd interfere with the rumen bacteria in the cow either, though I doubt it. Feeding clover seed in the mineral is an old timers trick. If you haven't had the clover your feeding on the field before, you can always inoculate later. All you have to do is ride around and sprinkle a little inoculant on the ground in the clover and scratch the dirt bit with a rake or drag. You need to mix the inoculant into the soil so sunlight won't kill it on the soil surface. Might not work as well as properly inoculated and properly planted seed, but if the cows are planting it for you you're not going to have an even broadcast stand anyway. You could do the same with volunteer stands spread by the cows. Like I said not as good as properly inoculated planted seed but it should help nodulation. Best way to see is to dig up a couple plants and carefully inspect the roots for nodules. Pinch or cut the nodules open and they should be pink to red inside if they are really fixing N well, if they're gray inside they aren't fixing much N. N fixation is dependent on the amount of N in the soil already if I remember right so fertilized fields may not fix much anyway. Hope this helps! OL JR :) [/QUOTE]
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