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<blockquote data-quote="DOC HARRIS" data-source="post: 361576" data-attributes="member: 1683"><p>Okay, the cat just found Lee's letter for me, so here it is.</p><p></p><p>From: Lee Leachman </p><p>To: Doc Harris </p><p>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:12 PM</p><p>Subject: RE: Cattle Forum & Cattle Discussion Boards at Cattle Today</p><p></p><p></p><p>Doc,</p><p> </p><p>Thanks for the thread. </p><p> </p><p>I fear that we made a fairly serious marketing mistake on our fall born embryo transplant bulls. These bulls were out of our very best donor cows. We placed the embryos into non-descript commercial cows in December of 2005 and sent them to Wichita Falls, TX to calve. They calved down and were raised by their recipient dams. Unfortunately, that area was in a serious drought. The resulting bulls had very low AWW's. Their AWW had little or nothing to do with their genetic potential -- since they were on commercial cows in a drought situation.</p><p> </p><p>We assumed that our buyers would be able to understand that these were ET bulls and that they should look at the EPD's, not the adjusted weights. In fact, the buyers did not. It is my opinion that these bulls were some of the finest bulls that we offered in our sale. However, because of the low weights, they were discounted and some did not sell. I might add that the same fate was met by many of our ET females that sold on Wednesday. </p><p> </p><p>Our average AWW in our sale was 679 pounds on our Spring born, non-ET, bulls. The bulls typically rank in the top 30% of their breeds on weaning EPD's. All this is still accomplished with a smaller than average cow. Here's another way to think about it.</p><p> </p><p>My golfing handicap is 28 (sad, but true). The other day, I teed off with my driver and drove the ball 475 yards three times in a row. Am I good at golfing or not? </p><p> </p><p>Answer: You don't have enough information, because you don't know the conditions under which I hit the ball 475 yards. In fact, it was on a frozen lake with a 70 mile per hour wind at my back. Aha.... looks like the environmental conditions mattered. The best bet is to look at my handicap. Handicaps are like EPD's. They take all of the historical information and make an estimate of your ability. Adjusted weights are like the distance of my drive -- everything depended on environment. Another simple example is to think of a cow/calf pair -- turn them out on the Nevada desert and wean the calf at 205 days vs. turn them out on an irrigated meadow of grazing alfalfa with a creep feeder for the calf -- will the weaning weight be different? Yes, of course it will, but the animals have the same genetics. </p><p> </p><p>Most seedstock breeders go to great lengths to feed cattle well to make average genetics sell better. We tend to take the low cost approach and live with less performance because we are confident of our cattle's ability to grow. </p><p> </p><p>All this said, we appreciate all of your comments about our sale. Here are the sale averages for those that are interested.</p><p> </p><p>Bulls: Head Average </p><p>Stabilizers 304 $ 3,035 </p><p>Red Angus 64 $ 2,949 </p><p>Angus 192 $ 2,441 </p><p>Simmental 25 $ 2,350 </p><p>Charolais 76 $ 2,632 </p><p>Bull Total: 661 $ 2,782 </p><p>Females: Head Average </p><p>Angus Female 218 $ 1,458 </p><p>Red Angus Female 105 $ 1,472 </p><p>Charolais Females 8 $ 1,300 </p><p>Simmental Females 11 $ 1,114 </p><p>Stabilizer Females 127 $ 1,025 </p><p>Total Seedstock Females 451 $ 1,386 </p><p>791 Commercial heifers in load lots averaged $759. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Lee Leachman, Manager</p><p>Leachman Cattle of Colorado</p><p>5100 ECR 70</p><p>Wellington, CO 80549</p><p>PH: (970) 568-3983</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DOC HARRIS, post: 361576, member: 1683"] Okay, the cat just found Lee's letter for me, so here it is. From: Lee Leachman To: Doc Harris Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: RE: Cattle Forum & Cattle Discussion Boards at Cattle Today Doc, Thanks for the thread. I fear that we made a fairly serious marketing mistake on our fall born embryo transplant bulls. These bulls were out of our very best donor cows. We placed the embryos into non-descript commercial cows in December of 2005 and sent them to Wichita Falls, TX to calve. They calved down and were raised by their recipient dams. Unfortunately, that area was in a serious drought. The resulting bulls had very low AWW's. Their AWW had little or nothing to do with their genetic potential -- since they were on commercial cows in a drought situation. We assumed that our buyers would be able to understand that these were ET bulls and that they should look at the EPD's, not the adjusted weights. In fact, the buyers did not. It is my opinion that these bulls were some of the finest bulls that we offered in our sale. However, because of the low weights, they were discounted and some did not sell. I might add that the same fate was met by many of our ET females that sold on Wednesday. Our average AWW in our sale was 679 pounds on our Spring born, non-ET, bulls. The bulls typically rank in the top 30% of their breeds on weaning EPD's. All this is still accomplished with a smaller than average cow. Here's another way to think about it. My golfing handicap is 28 (sad, but true). The other day, I teed off with my driver and drove the ball 475 yards three times in a row. Am I good at golfing or not? Answer: You don't have enough information, because you don't know the conditions under which I hit the ball 475 yards. In fact, it was on a frozen lake with a 70 mile per hour wind at my back. Aha.... looks like the environmental conditions mattered. The best bet is to look at my handicap. Handicaps are like EPD's. They take all of the historical information and make an estimate of your ability. Adjusted weights are like the distance of my drive -- everything depended on environment. Another simple example is to think of a cow/calf pair -- turn them out on the Nevada desert and wean the calf at 205 days vs. turn them out on an irrigated meadow of grazing alfalfa with a creep feeder for the calf -- will the weaning weight be different? Yes, of course it will, but the animals have the same genetics. Most seedstock breeders go to great lengths to feed cattle well to make average genetics sell better. We tend to take the low cost approach and live with less performance because we are confident of our cattle's ability to grow. All this said, we appreciate all of your comments about our sale. Here are the sale averages for those that are interested. Bulls: Head Average Stabilizers 304 $ 3,035 Red Angus 64 $ 2,949 Angus 192 $ 2,441 Simmental 25 $ 2,350 Charolais 76 $ 2,632 Bull Total: 661 $ 2,782 Females: Head Average Angus Female 218 $ 1,458 Red Angus Female 105 $ 1,472 Charolais Females 8 $ 1,300 Simmental Females 11 $ 1,114 Stabilizer Females 127 $ 1,025 Total Seedstock Females 451 $ 1,386 791 Commercial heifers in load lots averaged $759. Lee Leachman, Manager Leachman Cattle of Colorado 5100 ECR 70 Wellington, CO 80549 PH: (970) 568-3983 [/QUOTE]
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