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<blockquote data-quote="Aero" data-source="post: 189638" data-attributes="member: 2076"><p>i try to avoid shameless plugs, but Mike Keeney has a sale this weekend of fescue only bulls that thrive on fescue only in drought conditions. it is a little bit of a drive, but you should at least talk to him.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://5barx.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=393" target="_blank">http://5barx.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=393</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>not just that particular bull that has grown up on fescue, but also the <strong>type</strong> of cattle that do well in fescue and no supplementation. most high growth bulls are not designed to live off of grass and hay. the problem you run into is that these bulls that add growth usually add mature size. when you add mature size, you increase their daily nutritional requirements. when you increase their requirements and still have them on grass only, they are very short on minimum requirements and they come up open. even on free choice hay, higher demand cows still lack nutrition and have to be supplemented with protein blocks, grain, etc to get them to regularly come in bred on time.</p><p></p><p>as long as producers understand that this increase in growth will require an increase in nutrition and input cost, these types of bulls should work fine. the only reason i point this out is because you specifically said you want to keep them as low input cattle.</p><p></p><p>if you still decide to AI, 338 is a pretty good choice (as long as he isnt used on heifers) because of his low mature size EPDs that have decent accuracy. his calves will still require more nutrition than a bull designed to be used in your area type, but at least the 38 mature cows shouldnt increase mature size as much as a lot of growth bulls.</p><p></p><p>that's enough for now. i probably stirred the pot more than most would like for me to. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> do yourself a favor and at least talk to Mike.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aero, post: 189638, member: 2076"] i try to avoid shameless plugs, but Mike Keeney has a sale this weekend of fescue only bulls that thrive on fescue only in drought conditions. it is a little bit of a drive, but you should at least talk to him. [url=http://5barx.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=393]http://5barx.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=393[/url] not just that particular bull that has grown up on fescue, but also the [b]type[/b] of cattle that do well in fescue and no supplementation. most high growth bulls are not designed to live off of grass and hay. the problem you run into is that these bulls that add growth usually add mature size. when you add mature size, you increase their daily nutritional requirements. when you increase their requirements and still have them on grass only, they are very short on minimum requirements and they come up open. even on free choice hay, higher demand cows still lack nutrition and have to be supplemented with protein blocks, grain, etc to get them to regularly come in bred on time. as long as producers understand that this increase in growth will require an increase in nutrition and input cost, these types of bulls should work fine. the only reason i point this out is because you specifically said you want to keep them as low input cattle. if you still decide to AI, 338 is a pretty good choice (as long as he isnt used on heifers) because of his low mature size EPDs that have decent accuracy. his calves will still require more nutrition than a bull designed to be used in your area type, but at least the 38 mature cows shouldnt increase mature size as much as a lot of growth bulls. that's enough for now. i probably stirred the pot more than most would like for me to. :) do yourself a favor and at least talk to Mike. [/QUOTE]
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