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<blockquote data-quote="regolith" data-source="post: 755690" data-attributes="member: 9267"><p>The pvc idea is interesting - I know my cows wouldn't come under it, but if they were trained from calves they'd probably be fine.</p><p>Some people just push the fence down and expect them to jump over it - which they'll certainly do if they're hungry enough but it's real bad habit because they don't know the difference between jumping a wire sitting on the ground and jumping the one that's supposed to be holding them in (plus it does bad things to their temperament).</p><p></p><p>I tend to end the poly-fence where I want a gate, and either use a separate piece of poly-tape with a handle on it, or just make a 'dead' wrap round the second last standard so that the end standard or the reel can be opened without the rest of the fence going slack. I also use those 'dead' wraps if I'm making a fence with a corner in it, because it's quite common for the corner standard to get pushed out, and you can stop the fence going slack along the whole length if you do that. Kind of hard to explain - you just pull the wire tight and make like a clove hitch round the pigtail of your corner or end standard, then carry on putting out the reel.</p><p></p><p>kickinbull: it does take training to make dairy cows graze close enough, and I don't know if it can be done under a high production system. Once they're grazing fairly low (before calving) you can keep them grazing tight, but as soon as you start giving them enough feed to satiate them so that they don't have to graze tight, they get lazy and you're battling two negatives - the habit of grazing tight is broken, and the pasture quality where they last grazed is poorer unless you've mown behind them or put in another class of stock that does graze it back. In that case, they'll reject the dead matter that was ungrazed grass last time, and the cycle continues getting worse.</p><p>I know of farmers who seem to be able to juggle both sides of the equation - their cows graze hard year round so they always have good pasture quality, and they also add other feeds and get above average production - but it's quite a skill.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="regolith, post: 755690, member: 9267"] The pvc idea is interesting - I know my cows wouldn't come under it, but if they were trained from calves they'd probably be fine. Some people just push the fence down and expect them to jump over it - which they'll certainly do if they're hungry enough but it's real bad habit because they don't know the difference between jumping a wire sitting on the ground and jumping the one that's supposed to be holding them in (plus it does bad things to their temperament). I tend to end the poly-fence where I want a gate, and either use a separate piece of poly-tape with a handle on it, or just make a 'dead' wrap round the second last standard so that the end standard or the reel can be opened without the rest of the fence going slack. I also use those 'dead' wraps if I'm making a fence with a corner in it, because it's quite common for the corner standard to get pushed out, and you can stop the fence going slack along the whole length if you do that. Kind of hard to explain - you just pull the wire tight and make like a clove hitch round the pigtail of your corner or end standard, then carry on putting out the reel. kickinbull: it does take training to make dairy cows graze close enough, and I don't know if it can be done under a high production system. Once they're grazing fairly low (before calving) you can keep them grazing tight, but as soon as you start giving them enough feed to satiate them so that they don't have to graze tight, they get lazy and you're battling two negatives - the habit of grazing tight is broken, and the pasture quality where they last grazed is poorer unless you've mown behind them or put in another class of stock that does graze it back. In that case, they'll reject the dead matter that was ungrazed grass last time, and the cycle continues getting worse. I know of farmers who seem to be able to juggle both sides of the equation - their cows graze hard year round so they always have good pasture quality, and they also add other feeds and get above average production - but it's quite a skill. [/QUOTE]
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