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<blockquote data-quote="Herefords.US" data-source="post: 381196" data-attributes="member: 3972"><p>Knersie, I disagree with this statement just a bit. While seeing a lot of US Hereford cattle in the early 60's that were frame 3 & 4, I don't remember seeing very many that were as small as 1 & 2's.</p><p></p><p>In 1962, we bought this bull from Palo Pinto Anxiety 4th Hereford Ranch off his dam:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C5A5A5A59212122&9=5B5F5F" target="_blank">http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C5A5A5A59212122&9=5B5F5F</a></p><p></p><p>He matured into a bull that measured 58 inches tall at the hip (FS 6). He was typical of many of their bulls produced at that time. </p><p></p><p>They had a very large herd that took 4 days to disperse when they sold in the mid-sixties.</p><p></p><p>Also, cattle breeders like Eaton Becker, Cooper, Holden, and several others were producing larger framed Hereford cattle. They were the leaders in performance testing their herds, most starting in the mid-fifties.</p><p></p><p>We purchased this bull from Pied Piper Farms in 1965 that had an adjusted WW of 725 lbs. I still have the PRI (Perfomance Registry International) certificate on him somewhere in my father's estate items: </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C59272320262224" target="_blank">http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C59272320262224</a></p><p></p><p>While not quite as tall as the D462 bull, he was easily a frame 5+. Certainly having the genetics to grow that large, he was definitely given optimum opportunity to do it early on. He had been picked for Pied Piper's show herd and not only was he getting momma's milk, but all the feed he wanted as well as milk supplement from a "black and white" surrogate mother.</p><p></p><p>Eaton Becker produced this bull:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C265B27232F2423&9=5B5F59" target="_blank">http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C265B27232F2423&9=5B5F59</a></p><p></p><p>who was over 60 inches tall.(FS 7)</p><p></p><p>We had a daughter of a Becker bred bull (and a granddaughter and great-granddaughter of the other bulls) that produced a bull calf in 1982 (sired, natural service, by a bull that was 3/4 Cooper Line 1 Breeding) that was truly an outlier.(We nicknamed him Jumbo) His WW % was 142%(raised entirely on his dam) and he measured a FS 8 as a yearling:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24585A59262122&9=5B5D5E" target="_blank">http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24585A59262122&9=5B5D5E</a></p><p></p><p>Granted it took years, but it was only 4 generations from a FS<4 cow(Dulcinea L) to a FS 8 bull. And 4 generations can be done in much less time.</p><p></p><p>There were a lot of Hereford cattle around in the early 60s that were FS 5 to 6 framed cattle.</p><p></p><p>George</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herefords.US, post: 381196, member: 3972"] Knersie, I disagree with this statement just a bit. While seeing a lot of US Hereford cattle in the early 60's that were frame 3 & 4, I don't remember seeing very many that were as small as 1 & 2's. In 1962, we bought this bull from Palo Pinto Anxiety 4th Hereford Ranch off his dam: [url]http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C5A5A5A59212122&9=5B5F5F[/url] He matured into a bull that measured 58 inches tall at the hip (FS 6). He was typical of many of their bulls produced at that time. They had a very large herd that took 4 days to disperse when they sold in the mid-sixties. Also, cattle breeders like Eaton Becker, Cooper, Holden, and several others were producing larger framed Hereford cattle. They were the leaders in performance testing their herds, most starting in the mid-fifties. We purchased this bull from Pied Piper Farms in 1965 that had an adjusted WW of 725 lbs. I still have the PRI (Perfomance Registry International) certificate on him somewhere in my father's estate items: [url]http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C59272320262224[/url] While not quite as tall as the D462 bull, he was easily a frame 5+. Certainly having the genetics to grow that large, he was definitely given optimum opportunity to do it early on. He had been picked for Pied Piper's show herd and not only was he getting momma's milk, but all the feed he wanted as well as milk supplement from a "black and white" surrogate mother. Eaton Becker produced this bull: [url]http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C265B27232F2423&9=5B5F59[/url] who was over 60 inches tall.(FS 7) We had a daughter of a Becker bred bull (and a granddaughter and great-granddaughter of the other bulls) that produced a bull calf in 1982 (sired, natural service, by a bull that was 3/4 Cooper Line 1 Breeding) that was truly an outlier.(We nicknamed him Jumbo) His WW % was 142%(raised entirely on his dam) and he measured a FS 8 as a yearling: [url]http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=232F50&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24585A59262122&9=5B5D5E[/url] Granted it took years, but it was only 4 generations from a FS<4 cow(Dulcinea L) to a FS 8 bull. And 4 generations can be done in much less time. There were a lot of Hereford cattle around in the early 60s that were FS 5 to 6 framed cattle. George [/QUOTE]
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