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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1434665" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>You, me, and several other good folks are part of a growing list of banned people on HT. Either fall in line with the agenda and bashing there else you will be censored. I still have never heard a peep from the dictator running that site who banned me without saying a word nor after I tried to contact him on why he did it but I pretty much know why as his silence and the fact he won't even acknowledge me proves the point above because if it was truly a free and open discussion there then guys like you, me, and some others who I still keep in touch with and are still following the discussions there would not have been banned. I actually don't miss being able to post there anymore with the direction it has gone the past year, it has become so negative and hateful and I as have others here commented it basically has become a form of entertainment at this point to see those who are left basically obsess over certain things and rip and turn on each other at times. I found HT several years ago while doing searches on some bulls and really enjoyed it initially and made some great contacts through it but it has become such a place full of negativity and bashing of others I had really scaled back on my posting the months leading up to my banning because no matter how logical or positive you may be in your contributions to a discussion some of those guys will never see that there are always 2 sides to a discussion and just because you repeat the same thing over and over and try to convince that it's true doesn't necessarily make it factual.</p><p></p><p>Some of these guys wonder why they have a hard time selling their cattle, well who wants to buy from someone that is openly ripping on the very breed they are raising? It would be like a car salesman telling you the vehicle he is trying to sell you all the things he doesn't like about it and saying the brand he sells is dishonest and unethical. Does the Hereford breed have room to improve on things? Of course they do but I don't feel that things are as dire and bleak as some are making them out to be and I feel that the breed has actually come a long ways to correct the problems of the past and the breed is probably as popular with the commercial cattlemen today than it has been in a long time. We've been selling bulls to guys with black cattle who not that long ago probably would never have given a Hereford bull a thought but the proof is in the results that guys are seeing with black baldies that have led to the increase in demand for Hereford bulls and I grow frustrated that some guys are so intent on obsessing over things and bad mouthing the breed and other breeders and people in the process that it is detrimental to the progress and popularity that the breed has going for it right now.</p><p></p><p>Back to the subject this thread was originally about in the first place. I don't see an issue with someone going back to use some older genetics if they feel that introducing them into their program will either help correct some issues they have or it might add something they need. But at the same time if we all are making progress and improvement in the cattle we breed then the current genetics available today should be useful as well else otherwise you are saying we haven't had any genetic improvements over the past several decades and many generations of breeding over those years and we've been spinning our tires in the mud this whole time. If there was such a thing as a perfect cow we wouldn't have all these different breeds or different types of crosses out there because cattle aren't like cookie cutters where you can make 1 type of cattle work across the board for everyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1434665, member: 20580"] You, me, and several other good folks are part of a growing list of banned people on HT. Either fall in line with the agenda and bashing there else you will be censored. I still have never heard a peep from the dictator running that site who banned me without saying a word nor after I tried to contact him on why he did it but I pretty much know why as his silence and the fact he won't even acknowledge me proves the point above because if it was truly a free and open discussion there then guys like you, me, and some others who I still keep in touch with and are still following the discussions there would not have been banned. I actually don't miss being able to post there anymore with the direction it has gone the past year, it has become so negative and hateful and I as have others here commented it basically has become a form of entertainment at this point to see those who are left basically obsess over certain things and rip and turn on each other at times. I found HT several years ago while doing searches on some bulls and really enjoyed it initially and made some great contacts through it but it has become such a place full of negativity and bashing of others I had really scaled back on my posting the months leading up to my banning because no matter how logical or positive you may be in your contributions to a discussion some of those guys will never see that there are always 2 sides to a discussion and just because you repeat the same thing over and over and try to convince that it's true doesn't necessarily make it factual. Some of these guys wonder why they have a hard time selling their cattle, well who wants to buy from someone that is openly ripping on the very breed they are raising? It would be like a car salesman telling you the vehicle he is trying to sell you all the things he doesn't like about it and saying the brand he sells is dishonest and unethical. Does the Hereford breed have room to improve on things? Of course they do but I don't feel that things are as dire and bleak as some are making them out to be and I feel that the breed has actually come a long ways to correct the problems of the past and the breed is probably as popular with the commercial cattlemen today than it has been in a long time. We've been selling bulls to guys with black cattle who not that long ago probably would never have given a Hereford bull a thought but the proof is in the results that guys are seeing with black baldies that have led to the increase in demand for Hereford bulls and I grow frustrated that some guys are so intent on obsessing over things and bad mouthing the breed and other breeders and people in the process that it is detrimental to the progress and popularity that the breed has going for it right now. Back to the subject this thread was originally about in the first place. I don't see an issue with someone going back to use some older genetics if they feel that introducing them into their program will either help correct some issues they have or it might add something they need. But at the same time if we all are making progress and improvement in the cattle we breed then the current genetics available today should be useful as well else otherwise you are saying we haven't had any genetic improvements over the past several decades and many generations of breeding over those years and we've been spinning our tires in the mud this whole time. If there was such a thing as a perfect cow we wouldn't have all these different breeds or different types of crosses out there because cattle aren't like cookie cutters where you can make 1 type of cattle work across the board for everyone. [/QUOTE]
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