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<blockquote data-quote="Bcompton53" data-source="post: 1582951" data-attributes="member: 38094"><p>Haha I knew someone would mention the breeding stock production. And I considered editing my post to add it, but then I thought, well, isn't that still meat production? If there was no market for meat, there would be no market for the aforementioned breeding stock. Either way, yes, there are those folks also. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with in item 5, nor 7. 5 I'm simply saying that this high dollar club, which is not "most seedstock producers" (you changed the intent of my statement with your answer). Of course folks want to make a profit, that's not even really debatable, what I said is that it seems risky to produce something where the value is in perception, and maybe not so much reality. (of course there are exceptions). This applies also to item 6. Perceived value is only real as long as the perception lasts. Look at the price of gold, or stocks. One day things are great and there is an overinflated value placed on those items. The next day something bad happens, those values tank, and folks jump out of windows. Commercial producers deal with the same issue, but when my $1000 calf's value drops by 25%, that does suck, but not as much as when the big name bulls value drops by 25%. especially when my commercial calf will still have demand, when the big name bull could fall by the wayside.</p><p>item 7. My statement saying that the business model is very different, and I question the sanity of thinking that an unproven bull is worth 1.5 mil...It takes some serious weird idea of reality to think that if you put that bull in a herd of unmarked, unnamed, good bulls, that anyone would pick him out and say "he's worth 1.5 mil". I'm not sure how you could possibly "disagree" with my statement. I did not say "all purebred guys". I also didn't say that "all purebred guys are "big name"". I'm just still flabbergasted that these kind of dollar amounts could possibly be justified, but are clearly a target model for SOME of the purebred folks worlds. In other words, a big name, big money producer says, "wow, if I pump a bull full of feed, and make him look like a feed lot steer, give him a name that rhymes with SAV, someone will think he's worth a bunch more money!" It's the same folks who drive the fancy cars and say "look how nice of a car it is" while all of the reports place the fancy cars in the "most maintenance required" categories. Anyway, you are not the person I'm talking about here, at least not based on how you've described your operation. The fact that you're small potatoes, yet can sell great bulls, tells me that they are being valued based on more than a name, which supports my position exactly.</p><p></p><p>by the way, I still buy the same semen from the same big names as lots of other folks. My statements are really about the extreme end of the spectrum. Even still I see a couple bulls listed in semen suppliers catalogs, from Connealy for example, that I look at and think, without the connealy name, that bull wouldn't have a chance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bcompton53, post: 1582951, member: 38094"] Haha I knew someone would mention the breeding stock production. And I considered editing my post to add it, but then I thought, well, isn't that still meat production? If there was no market for meat, there would be no market for the aforementioned breeding stock. Either way, yes, there are those folks also. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with in item 5, nor 7. 5 I'm simply saying that this high dollar club, which is not "most seedstock producers" (you changed the intent of my statement with your answer). Of course folks want to make a profit, that's not even really debatable, what I said is that it seems risky to produce something where the value is in perception, and maybe not so much reality. (of course there are exceptions). This applies also to item 6. Perceived value is only real as long as the perception lasts. Look at the price of gold, or stocks. One day things are great and there is an overinflated value placed on those items. The next day something bad happens, those values tank, and folks jump out of windows. Commercial producers deal with the same issue, but when my $1000 calf's value drops by 25%, that does suck, but not as much as when the big name bulls value drops by 25%. especially when my commercial calf will still have demand, when the big name bull could fall by the wayside. item 7. My statement saying that the business model is very different, and I question the sanity of thinking that an unproven bull is worth 1.5 mil...It takes some serious weird idea of reality to think that if you put that bull in a herd of unmarked, unnamed, good bulls, that anyone would pick him out and say "he's worth 1.5 mil". I'm not sure how you could possibly "disagree" with my statement. I did not say "all purebred guys". I also didn't say that "all purebred guys are "big name"". I'm just still flabbergasted that these kind of dollar amounts could possibly be justified, but are clearly a target model for SOME of the purebred folks worlds. In other words, a big name, big money producer says, "wow, if I pump a bull full of feed, and make him look like a feed lot steer, give him a name that rhymes with SAV, someone will think he's worth a bunch more money!" It's the same folks who drive the fancy cars and say "look how nice of a car it is" while all of the reports place the fancy cars in the "most maintenance required" categories. Anyway, you are not the person I'm talking about here, at least not based on how you've described your operation. The fact that you're small potatoes, yet can sell great bulls, tells me that they are being valued based on more than a name, which supports my position exactly. by the way, I still buy the same semen from the same big names as lots of other folks. My statements are really about the extreme end of the spectrum. Even still I see a couple bulls listed in semen suppliers catalogs, from Connealy for example, that I look at and think, without the connealy name, that bull wouldn't have a chance. [/QUOTE]
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