How many cows have you tested for BSE?

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I am curious to find out how many people on either side of the border have tested cows over the last few years?

If you herds are like mine there will be cows that are perishing for one reason or another and with nothing to hide. I will test every animal that goes down at our place.
 
SEC":2047qjqr said:
I am curious to find out how many people on either side of the border have tested cows over the last few years?

If you herds are like mine there will be cows that are perishing for one reason or another and with nothing to hide. I will test every animal that goes down at our place.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by a 'few years', but we have not lost an adult (by adult I mean anything over weaning age) animal under questionable circumstances in several years. The only adult animal lost in the last 4 years was a yearling bull that bled to death as a result of castration. He was not tested for BSE for obvious reasons.
 
You are way off track, I am not talking about suspicous deaths.
We haven't had any ever! IF we did, it would be looked into.

We have lost some cows over the last few years with hardware, infections from calving. We have had them all tested. Not that BSE was a possibility but rather to do my part having as many animals tested as possible to help us learn more about this.

The gov't gives us $75 for every brain sample that is taken. It's certainly not a paying venture, that's not the reason why it's done either. But a few years ago, there were old crocks that would only bring $20 at the auction mart. In those cases it would make more sense to have an animal put down and have it's brain tested.

Or if a cow dies, a person might as well help out with the testing and get $75 for something that is already gone.

The local vet takes the samples.
 
Over the last year and half we have had 5 cows tested that died for various reasons. All came back neg.

Just read today USDA is planning to phase out this onfafm testing but hope they change mind. I think it is good PR to continue tis testing.

Johnny
 
SEC":39s216k7 said:
You are way off track, I am not talking about suspicous deaths.
We haven't had any ever! IF we did, it would be looked into.

We have lost some cows over the last few years with hardware, infections from calving. We have had them all tested. Not that BSE was a possibility but rather to do my part having as many animals tested as possible to help us learn more about this.

The gov't gives us $75 for every brain sample that is taken. It's certainly not a paying venture, that's not the reason why it's done either. But a few years ago, there were old crocks that would only bring $20 at the auction mart. In those cases it would make more sense to have an animal put down and have it's brain tested.

Or if a cow dies, a person might as well help out with the testing and get $75 for something that is already gone.

The local vet takes the samples.

I see what you're saying. Sorry about the misunderstanding, but I didn't know this option was even available. :oops: Thanks!
 
USDA's on farm testing program was the source of a good laugh in my little corner of the world...

USDA began running ads on the local radio requesting all dead or downer cows be tested under their new program- (No cost- but also no pay like in Canada)

Two weeks later they came out with a new ad--Telling everyone that the program was ending, was a complete success, and thanking everyone for their cooperation :???: :lol:
 
Are you saying that the USDA doesn't have a BSE testing program in place?
I was under the impression that it was.
 
SEC":n3cqsnfl said:
Are you saying that the USDA doesn't have a BSE testing program in place?
I was under the impression that it was.

Good questions SEC--I can't answer that- Like so many of USDA's policies lately they change so often no one can keep up with them- and many of the things they announce they are doing, you find out 6 months later they decided against- like the feedban loopholes (some lobbyist group convinced them against or their packer influenced bureaucrat employees got it killed)....Read flounders post on "The Bush Administrations Broken Record on BSE"- it doesn't even tell half the story of how the USDA- which is supposed to be a watchdog group- is actually controlled by the big money of the multinational packers.....And finding any BSE cases does not fit in the Packers agenda at this time...

All I can tell you is that this was months ago when they ran the radio ad in this area announcing the program was ending, was a huge success, and thanked everyone for their cooperation- and the last time I talked with my vet, he had not tested any....
 
There has been a nation wide program for around 18 months. USDA will pay a vet $100.00 to pull a brain sample on any suspects that die on your farm and pay you a $100.00 disposal fee for the cow. Since you are gonna have to dispose of the carcass anyway we go ahead and get the $100.00.

They are currently talking about lowering the number tested each year but not sure when they will start .

Johnny
 
johnny wrote;

> There has been a nation wide program for around 18 months...


:shock: :lol2: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


that was a good one...


lets look over there program and some facts ;-)


Rigid Protocols Reduced the Likelihood BSE Could be Detected

APHIS relied on a single test method, as well as a histological examination of tissue for lesions consistent with BSE, to confirm the presence of BSE even though discrepant test results indicated further testing may be prudent. When IHC test results were interpreted as negative, APHIS concluded the sample tested negative for BSE. Subsequent independent tests initiated by OIG using a different testing method, as well as confirmatory testing by Weybridge, determined that the suspect sample was a positive case of BSE.

When the tissue sample originally arrived at NVSL in November 2004 from the contract lab, NVSL scientists repeated the ELISA screening test and again produced three high positive reactive results. NVSL scientists cut out two sections of the brain sample for IHC testing. One section was used for an experimental procedure that was not part of the confirmatory testing protocol, and the other cut was for normal IHC testing using scrapie for a positive control.47 According to NVSL scientists, the experimental test results were inconclusive but the IHC test was interpreted as negative. The NVSL scientists were concerned with the inconsistencies and conducted

APHIS Declares BSE Sample Negative Despite Conflicting Results



snip.......see full text;



http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/50601-10-KC.pdf




-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:12:15 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
To: Carla Everett
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us>



Greetings Carla,still hear a rumor;

Texas single beef cow not born in Canada no beef entered the food chain?

and i see the TEXAS department of animal health is ramping up forsomething, but they forgot a url for update?I HAVE NO ACTUAL CONFIRMATION YET...can you confirm???terry

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:38:21 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[email protected]>



The USDA has made a statement, and we are referring all callers to the USDA web site. We have no informationabout the animal being in Texas. CarlaAt 09:44 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:>Greetings Carla,>>i am getting unsubstantiated claims of this BSE 'inconclusive' cow is from>TEXAS. can you comment on this either way please?>>thank you,>Terry S. Singeltary Sr.>>
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us> <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us> <[email protected]>


our computer department was working on a place holder we could postUSDA's announcement of any results. There are no results to be announced tonightby NVSL, so we are back in a waiting mode and will post the USDA announcementwhen we hear something.At 06:05 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote:>why was the announcement on your TAHC site removed?>>Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy:>November 22: Press Release title here >>star image More BSE information>>>>terry>>Carla Everett wrote:>>>no confirmation on the U.S.' inconclusive test...>>no confirmation on location of animal.>>>>>>==========================
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Oversight of FSIS Recalls

For the past several years we have testified about our continuing work regarding adulterated beef product recalls. In July 2004, a Pennsylvania firm initiated a recall of approximately 170,000 pounds of ground beef patties because of mislabeling. Approximately one-fourth of this product was made, in part, from beef trim from Canada which was not eligible for import to the U.S., following the detection of a Canadian cow with BSE.



http://appropriations.house.gov/_files/ ... timony.pdf





look on page 44 and up here about the Texas cow also;





Rigid Protocols Reduced the Likelihood BSE Could be Detected

APHIS relied on a single test method, as well as a histological examination of tissue for lesions consistent with BSE, to confirm the presence of BSE even though discrepant test results indicated further testing may be prudent. When IHC test results were interpreted as negative, APHIS concluded the sample tested negative for BSE. Subsequent independent tests initiated by OIG using a different testing method, as well as confirmatory testing by Weybridge, determined that the suspect sample was a positive case of BSE.

When the tissue sample originally arrived at NVSL in November 2004 from the contract lab, NVSL scientists repeated the ELISA screening test and again produced three high positive reactive results. NVSL scientists cut out two sections of the brain sample for IHC testing. One section was used for an experimental procedure that was not part of the confirmatory testing protocol, and the other cut was for normal IHC testing using scrapie for a positive control.47 According to NVSL scientists, the experimental test results were inconclusive but the IHC test was interpreted as negative. The NVSL scientists were concerned with the inconsistencies and conducted

APHIS Declares BSE Sample Negative Despite Conflicting Results



snip.......see full text;



http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/50601-10-KC.pdf



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement
May 4, 2004

Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

Statement on Texas Cow With Central Nervous System Symptoms

On Friday, April 30 th , the Food and Drug Administration learned that a cow with central nervous system symptoms had been killed and shipped to a processor for rendering into animal protein for use in animal feed.

FDA, which is responsible for the safety of animal feed, immediately began an investigation. On Friday and throughout the weekend, FDA investigators inspected the slaughterhouse, the rendering facility, the farm where the animal came from, and the processor that initially received the cow from the slaughterhouse.

FDA's investigation showed that the animal in question had already been rendered into "meat and bone meal" (a type of protein animal feed). Over the weekend FDA was able to track down all the implicated material. That material is being held by the firm, which is cooperating fully with FDA. ...........snip


http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2004/NEW01061.html



-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:12:15 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
To: Carla Everett
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us>



Greetings Carla,still hear a rumor;

Texas single beef cow not born in Canada no beef entered the food chain?

and i see the TEXAS department of animal health is ramping up forsomething, but they forgot a url for update?I HAVE NO ACTUAL CONFIRMATION YET...can you confirm???terry

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:38:21 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[email protected]>



The USDA has made a statement, and we are referring all callers to the USDA web site. We have no informationabout the animal being in Texas. CarlaAt 09:44 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:>Greetings Carla,>>i am getting unsubstantiated claims of this BSE 'inconclusive' cow is from>TEXAS. can you comment on this either way please?>>thank you,>Terry S. Singeltary Sr.>>
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSE 'INCONCLUSIVE' COW from TEXAS ???
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:33:20 -0600
From: Carla Everett
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us> <[email protected]> <[email protected]. us> <[email protected]>


our computer department was working on a place holder we could postUSDA's announcement of any results. There are no results to be announced tonightby NVSL, so we are back in a waiting mode and will post the USDA announcementwhen we hear something.At 06:05 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote:>why was the announcement on your TAHC site removed?>>Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy:>November 22: Press Release title here >>star image More BSE information>>>>terry>>Carla Everett wrote:>>>no confirmation on the U.S.' inconclusive test...>>no confirmation on location of animal.>>>>>>==========================
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Report on Food & Drug Administration Dallas District Investigation of
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy Event in Texas 2005

Executive Summary:

On June 24, 2005, USDA informed FDA that a cow in Texas tested positive for Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE). Information provided by APHIS was that the BSE positive cow was born and raised in a herd in Texas and was approximately 12 years old. The animal was sampled for BSE at a pet food plant in Texas on November 15, 2004, as part of USDA's enhanced surveillance program. The animal was disposed of by incineration and did not enter the human food or animal feed chains. Although the positive animal posed no risk to the animal feed supply, FDA, APHIS, the Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC), and the Texas Feed and Fertilizer Control Service (TFFCS) conducted a feed investigation with two main objectives. The first objective was to identify all protein sources in the animal's feed history that could potentially have been the source of the BSE agent. The second objective was to verify that cattle leaving the herd after 1997 that were identified by USDA/APHIS as animals of concern (e.g. progeny and feed cohorts), were rendered at facilities in compliance with the regulation (21 CFR 589.2000) that prohibits most mammalian protein in feed for ruminants that became effective August 4, 1997 (herein called BSE/Ruminant Feed rule).

The feed history investigation identified 21 feed products that had been used on the farm since 1990. These feed products were purchased from three retail feed stores and had been manufactured at nine different feed mills. The investigators visited these establishments to collect information on formulations, shipping invoices, and use of ruminant meat and bone meal (MBM) on the premises both pre-1997 feed ban and post-1997 feed ban. This investigation found no feed products used on the farm since 1997 that had been formulated to contain prohibited mammalian protein.

The investigation identified one feed which contained an animal protein source that could not be identified. The investigation also found one feed mill that supplied feed to the farm that had used ruminant MBM in feed formulations for non-ruminant species after the BSE/Ruminant Feed rule went into effect, which is permitted under the rule, and that several feed mills had used ruminant MBM in feeds prior to the feed ban. Although the investigation did not identify a specific feed source as the likely cause of this animal's infection, it is probable that the most likely route of exposure for this animal was consumption of an animal feed containing mammalian protein prior to the implementation of the BSE/Ruminant Feed rule in 1997.

The investigation into the disposition of herd mates from this farm involved visits to nine slaughter plants and eight rendering plants. The investigation found that all rendering plants were operating in compliance with the BSE/ruminant feed ban regulation. A review of the inspection history of each of these rendering firms found no violations.

Background of Investigation:

When notified on June 24, 2005, FDA Headquarters and Dallas District management officials immediately began making contacts with their Federal, State and Local counterparts to plan for and initiate follow-up investigational activities to determine the feed history in this herd and to assure the safety of the animal feed supply by evaluating current and historic compliance with the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule.

APHIS established a joint Incident Command Post and FDA Dallas District staffed this post full time with a Supervisory Investigator charged with coordinating activities between FDA, APHIS, TAHC and TFFCS. Coordination conference calls were set up with all Federal and State agencies involved in the investigation to keep everyone apprised of investigational developments.

Animal Tracing Activities and Renderer Follow-up Inspections:

One of APHIS' primary objectives was to identify and trace the animals of interest (animals of interest would include any animals which could have been potential birth cohorts or feed cohorts of the index animal, or potential offspring of the index animal within the two years prior to the positive diagnosis) from the index herd. This objective included the identification of points of sale and ultimately the actual slaughter facilities for animals of interest that left the farm. As the trace information was developed, APHIS shared this information with FDA. Further information on animal of interest identification and tracing can be found in the USDA Texas BSE Final Epidemiology report.

APHIS identified nine slaughter establishments receiving these animals of interest. Eight of the slaughter establishments were located in the State of Texas and one was located in the State of Georgia. Dallas District Investigators notified USDA/FSIS of our plans to visit each slaughter establishment to identify rendering facilities receiving materials from these slaughter establishments during the timeframe they received animals of interest. Dallas District also issued an assignment to Atlanta District to visit and inspect the one slaughter/renderer establishment located in the State of Georgia.

Eight renderers and one protein source broker were identified as receiving materials from these slaughter establishments. Each rendering facility identified was inspected for current compliance with the mammalian protein feed ban rule. Each firm's operations during the period of time of receipt of these animals post 1997 were evaluated from a historical viewpoint and no evidence of noncompliance was detected.

In all, FDA visited nine slaughter facilities, eight rendering facilities and one broker of these materials. All facilities inspected were found to be in compliance with the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule




Feed Investigation:

As information was learned about the index herd, FDA Investigators working with TAHC officials conducted multiple interviews with the producer of the animal regarding possible feeds, feed sources, animal husbandry practices, and other events which may have changed normal feeding practices over the course of the index animal's life in the herd and any other information which may have been helpful in identifying the possible sources of feed for this animal and herd. FDA corroborated this information through interviews at the retail feed supply stores where the producer purchased feeds.

Follow-up at these retail feed supply stores identified 21 possible feed products the producer may have used during the history of the herd. Fifteen purchased feed products were identified, along with hay, native grass, rice straw, soybean meal, milk replacer/colostrum and bagged corn. These products were identified as originating from nine different manufacturers. Each of these manufacturers was inspected by FDA Dallas District and TFFCS Investigators.

Feed manufacturers were located throughout the State of Texas. An assignment was also issued to another FDA District to visit a Corporate Headquarters facility in an effort to review archived feed formulations and labels. During each of these inspections, the firm's current compliance with the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule was evaluated and attempts were made to determine the protein sources used in feeds on the index farm. Many of the feeds investigated were manufactured and used prior to the implementation of the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule in 1997. Feed products of particular interest included any which may have contained a protein source and the primary focus was on identifying any possible mammalian protein source material in those feed products. We found that ruminant feeds that had contained mammalian meat and bone meal (MBM) prior to the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule had been discontinued or reformulated upon the implementation of these rules. There is no regulatory requirement for a feed mill to archive formulations for that length of time, so in those instances where an actual formulation could not be obtained, experienced employees of the firms were interviewed and their recollections recorded.

Of all the feeds in use by the producer since 1997, none were discovered to have contained prohibited material (mammalian protein). Since the age of the index animal was determined to be approximately 12 years, investigating and reconstructing a feed history over such a long period of time is challenging. This ranch is a beef cow-calf operation and minimal feed records were maintained. Due to the nature of this investigation, it is difficult to determine what feeds were in use at specific times and what the formulation of those feeds were at the time they were fed. A feed history was developed through interviews with the producer and other farm personnel since they did not maintain any feed history documentation. Interviews with personnel at retail establishments disclosed incomplete records and cash sales that did not always identify the purchaser. Dallas District investigated any and all feed ingredients that were identified as being fed or potentially fed over the course of the last 15 years of this herd's operation. Feeds discovered during this investigation with potential mammalian protein sources are as below:

One feed, used prior to 1996, before the implementation of the feed ban, was suspected to contain mammalian meat and bone meal, but this could not be confirmed as no formulation records were available.

The producer recalled using a particular feed sporadically during the 1980's and 1990's, however, he could not remember the name or manufacturer of the feed and had no records identifying the product. It is not known whether this feed contained an animal protein source. Attempts to identify this feed through interviews with retail sources were unsuccessful.

The producer identified one feed product that has been used since the year 2000 which contains fish meal as a protein source. Further investigation revealed that this product had contained mammalian meat and bone meal prior to 1997, but that it had been reformulated at that time using fish meal to replace the MBM.

A tabular representation of the feed inspection follow-up activities is presented below:

Feed
Dates of Use
Protein Source
Current BSE Inspection
BSE Compliance History

Feed #1 - Range Meal
1980's - 2000
Unknown - Unable to determine actual manufacturer, no records available from producer
N/A
N/A

Feed #2 - High Protein Starter Feed
2001 to present
Feather meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #3 - High Protein Starter Feed
~1995 - 2001
Feather meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #4 - Cottonseed cake
Prior to 1990
Cottonseed meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #5 - Cottonseed cake
Early 1980's - 1990's
Cottonseed meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #6 - Limiter
2001 to present
Feather meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #7 - Creep pellets
Prior to 1970
Likely feather meal - no formulation could be obtained
N/A
N/A

Feed #8 - Lick tub
Since 2000
MBM prior to 1997 Fish Meal since 1997
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #9 - Cottonseed meal
Continuously
Cottonseed meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #10 - Range Cubes
Continuously since 1990
Feather meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant[1]

Feed #11 - Sulfur Salt Block
Continuously
Minerals; calcium - all non-animal derived
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #12 - Lick tub
Continuously since 1995
Feather meal
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #13 - Beef Supplement
Prior to 1996
Prior to 1997, suspect MBM - Not able to confirm, no formulation available
BSE Compliant
Same manufacturer as Feed #10[1]

Feed #14 - Mineralized Salt
Continuously since 1998
Minerals; calcium - all non-animal derived
BSE Compliant
BSE Compliant

Feed #15 - Soybean meal
Since 2000, sparingly
Soybean meal
N/A
N/A

Feed #16 - Corn
Continuously
Corn
N/A
N/A

Feed #17 - Rice straw
1996, during dry year
Rice straw
N/A
N/A

Feed #18 - Hay
Continuously
Hay
N/A
N/A

Feed #19 - Milk Replacer
Since 2000, Infrequent use
Dehydrated colostrums, whey
N/A
N/A

Feed #20 - Grass
Continuously
Native grass
N/A
N/A

Feed #21 - Soybean meal
Since 2000, sparingly
Soybean meal
N/A
N/A



[1] Dallas District previously documented one incident of the accidental addition of mammalian protein to a feed that was to be used for cattle at this facility. This incident was isolated to the manufacture of one lot of a custom cattle feed. A cross contamination error resulted in mammalian meat and bone meal being accidentally included in a feed. The error was detected soon after production. The firm acted swiftly in recalling the product and purchasing the animals that had consumed the feed. No products entered the human food or ruminant feed chain.

Dallas District Compliance History with BSE Feed Ban Rules:

Prior to 1997, feed manufacturers were not required to differentiate between protein sources used in ruminant and non-ruminant feeds. For a period of time following the implementation of the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule, some feed manufacturers continued to use both prohibited material and non-prohibited material within the same facility, employing separation and cleanout procedures to minimize cross-contamination. Although the regulations allow this practice, the potential for cross-contamination of ruminant feeds is greater. Most feed mills have found this practice to be difficult and have abandoned this practice.

Since the implementation of the BSE/ruminant feed ban rule in 1997, Dallas District and its State partners have inspected every known or registered feed manufacturer located in the states of Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. Further, every rendering operation and feed manufacturer actually processing with prohibited materials has been inspected annually. The compliance rate of the industry has been excellent.

Results:

In total FDA, along with TFFCS, conducted 33 inspections, investigations and interviews of the producer, retail feed establishments, feed manufacturers, corporate headquarters, slaughter facilities, renderers and a protein source broker. The FDA Dallas District follow-up to this incident resulted in the coordination of efforts of multiple Federal and State agencies. This report is the physical output of many hours of research, planning and coordination. All of the inspections conducted confirmed the feed manufacturers and rendering operations to be in compliance with the current BSE/ruminant feed ban rule.

Dallas District conducts annual inspections of all feed mills and rendering facilities who handle, use or produce PM for feed use. Inspections performed since the initiation of the BSE/ruminant feed ban rules in 1997 have confirmed a high degree of industry wide compliance with these important safeguards. The district also routinely coordinates and shares information regarding feed inspections with the TFFCS who are also responsible for the evaluating feed ban compliance in the state of Texas.

Food and Drug Administration
August 30, 2005
Minor edit September 8, 2005



http://www.fda.gov/cvm/texasfeedrpt.htm


YODER BROTHERS MEAT PROCESSING 17301 M PARIS, TN 10/3/05 10/12/05 X X The
enforcement action included, as a basis, failure of the establishment to
comply with Agency requirements concerning specified risk material.


full text 54 pages ;


http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/QER_Q1_FY2006.pdf




ALSO, in TEXAS, cattle on feed for decades, fda says 5.5 grams ruminant protein, if tainted with TSE, is not enough to kill a cow. actually, it's enough to kill 100+ cows ;-)


http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2001/NEW00752.html



USDA 2003

We have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that
we forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.
Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


snip.............


Dr. Detwiler: It seems a good idea, but I'm not aware of it.
Another important thing to get across to the public is that the negatives
do not guarantee absence of infectivity. The animal could be early in the
disease and the incubation period. Even sample collection is so important.
If you're not collecting the right area of the brain in sheep, or if
collecting lymphoreticular tissue, and you don't get a good biopsy, you
could miss the area with the PRP in it and come up with a negative test.
There's a new, unusual form of Scrapie that's been detected in Norway. We
have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that we
forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.

Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


snip...


FULL TEXT;


Completely Edited Version
PRION ROUNDTABLE


Accomplished this day, Wednesday, December 11, 2003, Denver, Colorado


2005


National Veterinary Services Laboratory (NVSL) Immunohistochemistry (IHC) Testing Summary

The BSE enhanced surveillance program involves the use of a rapid screening test, followed by confirmatory testing for any samples that come back "inconclusive." The weekly summary below captures all rapid tests conducted as part of the enhanced surveillance effort. It should be noted that since the enhanced surveillance program began, USDA has also conducted approximately 9,200 routine IHC tests on samples that did not first undergo rapid testing.


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bs ... sults.html



ALSO, in TEXAS, home of the SSS policy, live an in color;




"Anthrax is under-reported, because many ranchers in this area automatically dispose

of carcasses and vaccinate livestock when they find dead animals that are bloated or

bloody--common signs of the disease," said Dr. Fancher. "Anthrax is a reportable

disease, however, and it's important to know when an outbreak occurs, so other

ranchers can be notified to vaccinate.



http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/200 ... tonCty.pdf



TSS
 
I get lost reading the dribble. I believe there is good info inside of it, it's to hard to stare and read that much.

What does the summary say?
 
SEC WROTE;


I get lost reading the dribble. I believe there is good info inside of it, it's to hard to stare and read that much.

What does the summary say?
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summary = Deja Vu


NOW, sec might ask, 'terry, what do you mean Deja VU?


so, i must try and summarize with more data :shock:


i'll keep it as short as possible here folllks, we been lied to. it started long ago, the USDA tried to perfect, but shot both feet as we have seen with the infamous 'june 2004 enhanced bse cover-up in the USA', all documented here several times, so i will not waste space for that, only the very blind and very very dumb could not see that, but here is where this nightmare began. USDA tried to keep it at the ukbsenvcjd only, but the many different strains of TSE in many species caught up with them. now, USA holds the title of the country with the 'most documented TSE', all of which were rendered and fed back to humans and animals for human consumption.........

now, don't you wish you didn't ask........

i wish i never heard of the [email protected] i am vested, for life...TSS


NOW, for the dribble of it;


IN CONFIDENCE ;


.42 On 15 May Mr Bradley sent a minute to Dr Watson, Dr Shreeve, Dr Roberts, Mr Wells and Mr Mike Dawson noting that, 'by agreement with the Director', the proposed Vision article would now be circulated as a separate Directive to VICs in England and Wales only.



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IN CONFIDENCE


It has been agreed that a joint/co-ordinated CVL-VIS publication will be produced in due course. Meanwhile, because of the nature of the disorder, its political implications and possible effects on exports it is essential that VIS staff must not, at this stage, discuss it with or consult workers at Research Institutes and University Departments. Furthermore, any statements for publication or discussions at meetings must be cleared by the respective Directors of the Services.


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2.44 On 27 May Dr Peter Dawson succeeded Dr Williams as the ACVO and Head of the VI Service, and Dr Richard Cawthorne succeeded Dr Peter Dawson as Head of the Veterinary Investigation Section (VI Section) at Tolworth.

2.45 The final version of Mr Wells's article, entitled 'A Novel Bovine Neurological Disorder?', was eventually circulated on 8 June 1987 to Superintending Veterinary Investigation Officers in England and Wales. The document was headed 'urgent' and 'in confidence'. It described the nature, symptoms and pathology of the new disease and gave instructions for the submission of pathological material to the CVL. It included the following directions:

Similar clinical cases are of interest to VI Section, Tolworth, and the Pathology and Virology Departments at CVL. Such cases must be notified initially only to SVO(HQ), VI Section, Tolworth and Neuropathology Section, Pathology Department, CVO. At this stage VI staff should not consult workers at Research Institutes or University Departments . . .
A co-ordinated VIS/CVL publication on this subject is proposed. All statements for publication, or discussion at meetings MUST BE CLEARED by respective Directors of Services.



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It is essential not to refer to the condition as bovine scrapie. While the clinical and pathological changes may provide evidence of its similarity to diseases caused by unconventional infectious agents such as scrapie in sheep, it is important to emphasise that the aetiological basis of BSE remains unknown and no connection with encephalopathies in other species, including scrapie in sheep, has been established.



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. . . the fact that it so far appears to be a uniquely British disorder could prejudice our cattle exports if it is publicised in inaccurate or exaggerated terms. It would be particularly misleading if it were to be described as 'scrapie in cattle'. Scrapie is a disease of sheep, the existence of which in British flocks is an impediment to our export trade, but although it is also an encephalopathy there is no evidence that BSE is attributable to the same cause as scrapie and it is important to distinguish between the two conditions . . .
A point to emphasise, if you are pressed on numbers of cases, is that while it may be suspected in over 100 herds and distributed over a wide area, it has been confirmed in only 25 animals, out of a total UK cattle population of just over 12.5 million. Moreover, cases tend to be in individual animals rather than whole herds being affected. There is no evidence that it is transmissible to humans or that the meat or milk from animals with BSE are affected.


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12/10/76
AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH COUNCIL
REPORT OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTE ON SCRAPIE
Office Note
CHAIRMAN: PROFESSOR PETER WILDY

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A The Present Position with respect to Scrapie
A] The Problem

Scrapie is a natural disease of sheep and goats. It is a slow
and inexorably progressive degenerative disorder of the nervous system
and it ia fatal. It is enzootic in the United Kingdom but not in all
countries.

The field problem has been reviewed by a MAFF working group
(ARC 35/77). It is difficult to assess the incidence in Britain for
a variety of reasons but the disease causes serious financial loss;
it is estimated that it cost Swaledale breeders alone $l.7 M during
the five years 1971-1975. A further inestimable loss arises from the
closure of certain export markets, in particular those of the United
States, to British sheep.

It is clear that scrapie in sheep is important commercially and
for that reason alone effective measures to control it should be
devised as quickly as possible.

Recently the question has again been brought up as to whether
scrapie is transmissible to man. This has followed reports that the
disease has been transmitted to primates. One particularly lurid
speculation (Gajdusek 1977) conjectures that the agents of scrapie,
kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and transmissible encephalopathy of
mink are varieties of a single "virus". The U.S. Department of
Agriculture concluded that it could "no longer justify or permit
scrapie-blood line and scrapie-exposed sheep and goats to be processed
for human or animal food at slaughter or rendering plants" (ARC 84/77)"
The problem is emphasised by the finding that some strains of scrapie
produce lesions identical to the once which characterise the human
dementias"

Whether true or not. the hypothesis that these agents might be
transmissible to man raises two considerations. First, the safety
of laboratory personnel requires prompt attention. Second, action
such as the "scorched meat" policy of USDA makes the solution of the
acrapie problem urgent if the sheep industry is not to suffer
grievously.

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76/10.12/4.6

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STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL 25, AUGUST 1995

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To minimise the risk of farmers' claims for compensation from feed
compounders.

To minimise the potential damage to compound feed markets through adverse publicity.

To maximise freedom of action for feed compounders, notably by
maintaining the availability of meat and bone meal as a raw
material in animal feeds, and ensuring time is available to make any
changes which may be required.

snip...

THE FUTURE

4..........

MAFF remains under pressure in Brussels and is not skilled at
handling potentially explosive issues.

5. Tests _may_ show that ruminant feeds have been sold which
contain illegal traces of ruminant protein. More likely, a few positive
test results will turn up but proof that a particular feed mill knowingly
supplied it to a particular farm will be difficult if not impossible.

6. The threat remains real and it will be some years before feed
compounders are free of it. The longer we can avoid any direct
linkage between feed milling _practices_ and actual BSE cases,
the more likely it is that serious damage can be avoided. ...

SEE full text ;

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TSS
 

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