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<blockquote data-quote="BSKDixie" data-source="post: 744029" data-attributes="member: 13953"><p>Feed with one hay truck and TMR mixer, scraped pens with blades on ATV's, saved a good bit of money without a tractor, the guy ran about 900 some brood cows and another 350 stockers, and never once had a tractor</p><p></p><p>And I'm afraid I still disagree with bigbull and Jogeephus (respectfully disagree of course), If he doesn't even have a squeeze chute or working facilties, and only 14 cows and 14 calves, its not like hes going to be feeding a few hundred round bales a winter? And price wise, even if you're buying a tractor used, In my opinion its still cheaper to buy an ATV with implements (scraper, trailer, etc.) or fit a bale roller on a truck than it is to buy even a compact tractor. Even if you're looking on a deeper financial level and looking at opportunity cost, if by buying a tractor would he save money by eliminating time he would be able to spend on something else? Maybe so, but unless hes really doing a lot of feeding, an ATV with implements is still way cheaper, easier to repair, less fuel etc. (in my experience)</p><p>I still say working facilities should be one of the first steps, unless his cattle are "tame as dog pets" how is he going to administer vaccinations? Treat whatever ailment they come down with? What if a cow calves and you have to pull the calf, some cows will be stay down but others don't always play nice. If he buys a tractor first yes maybe it makes some feeding easier, he can do some projects on the land, but how does he work his cattle? Shoot hes gonna run the money off his cows just chasing them around his pastures trying to give them a shot. Not to mention if he plans on doctoring in the field, hes gonna pay for it in the end with hospital bills alone unless he is a pretty good hand with a rope and a horse (not saying you aren't Todd) I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I don't see how a tractor can come before something that in my opinion is necessary when working with cattle (doesn't have to be a Big Valley hydraulic chute with all matching colored panels and swing doors everywhere, just needs to be a set of corrals that you are able to work with), I think it would be good if Todd let everyone know a little bit more what he was shooting for (goals, hobby vs profit, etc)</p><p></p><p>Also, some cattlemen's associations have cost sharing programs available for smaller producers for working facilities, and some associations have deals with manufacturers of chutes and panels, something also to look into</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BSKDixie, post: 744029, member: 13953"] Feed with one hay truck and TMR mixer, scraped pens with blades on ATV's, saved a good bit of money without a tractor, the guy ran about 900 some brood cows and another 350 stockers, and never once had a tractor And I'm afraid I still disagree with bigbull and Jogeephus (respectfully disagree of course), If he doesn't even have a squeeze chute or working facilties, and only 14 cows and 14 calves, its not like hes going to be feeding a few hundred round bales a winter? And price wise, even if you're buying a tractor used, In my opinion its still cheaper to buy an ATV with implements (scraper, trailer, etc.) or fit a bale roller on a truck than it is to buy even a compact tractor. Even if you're looking on a deeper financial level and looking at opportunity cost, if by buying a tractor would he save money by eliminating time he would be able to spend on something else? Maybe so, but unless hes really doing a lot of feeding, an ATV with implements is still way cheaper, easier to repair, less fuel etc. (in my experience) I still say working facilities should be one of the first steps, unless his cattle are "tame as dog pets" how is he going to administer vaccinations? Treat whatever ailment they come down with? What if a cow calves and you have to pull the calf, some cows will be stay down but others don't always play nice. If he buys a tractor first yes maybe it makes some feeding easier, he can do some projects on the land, but how does he work his cattle? Shoot hes gonna run the money off his cows just chasing them around his pastures trying to give them a shot. Not to mention if he plans on doctoring in the field, hes gonna pay for it in the end with hospital bills alone unless he is a pretty good hand with a rope and a horse (not saying you aren't Todd) I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I don't see how a tractor can come before something that in my opinion is necessary when working with cattle (doesn't have to be a Big Valley hydraulic chute with all matching colored panels and swing doors everywhere, just needs to be a set of corrals that you are able to work with), I think it would be good if Todd let everyone know a little bit more what he was shooting for (goals, hobby vs profit, etc) Also, some cattlemen's associations have cost sharing programs available for smaller producers for working facilities, and some associations have deals with manufacturers of chutes and panels, something also to look into [/QUOTE]
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