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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 772692" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>I think T-21 is basically a good GRASS bull. In poorer forage as on western dryland ranches where basically the cattle graze on whatever is available and there is little or no work done by the rancher to improve vast areas of rangeland I think he would probably work to find whatever forage he could find as Herefords are noted for.</p><p></p><p>But your comment reminds me of the question of what is the difference between a rancher and a farmer (other than the type hat they wear!).</p><p></p><p>I see myself as a farmer. Maybe mostly from my row crop, corn/bean/etc based day job. As I get into cattle I STILL see myself more as a farmer, in this case a GRASS farmer compared to a row crop farmer.</p><p></p><p>Part of this is my location in a moist north central climate area with smaller average farm size than the huge western or southwestern ranches. In my case MUCH smaller.</p><p></p><p>I tend to look at grass in some ways as I look at a corn crop - what can I do to get more from an acre at the same or lower cost per unit???</p><p></p><p>So I guess other than the normal drier years (when I will use wrapped hay bales as a backup in a sacrifice pasture), as a grass farmer I don't want to see my bull or cattle having to scrounge for forage. I see my job to manage my grass so they always have enough to do their job which is growing calves and quality beef as efficiently as possible.</p><p></p><p>With the recent heat and humidity, even in Wisconsin, I opened up one of my poorer pastures to them to graze on Saturday 7/31 so they would have access to the full cooler woods in the background rather than just the small patch of trees in their previous pasture. This is a poorer rocky hillside and about as lean a grass as I want to put my herd into. So I think T-21 and about any other Hereford would be just fine in this grass.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab336/SRBeef/IMG_1643_Movedcowsto3withlessgrasstohaveaccesstocoolerwoods073110.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I do appreciate your comments about breeding back to granddaughters. With our discussion on linebreeding I do think I will give this a try. Just can't go daughters AND granddaughters, need to skip one generation if I understand correctly. Here is an interesting commentary on linebreeding Herefords you may have seen before:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.witherspoonsherefords.com/WNHWEB11.HTM" target="_blank">http://www.witherspoonsherefords.com/WNHWEB11.HTM</a></p><p></p><p>FWIW. Jim</p><p></p><p>edit: interesting to compare my photos with BRG excellent "Red Cattle" pictures in another post. really shows the difference between western wide-open spaces ranching compared to my smaller scale grass farming. One is not better or worse than the other, they are just different. Vive la difference!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 772692, member: 7509"] I think T-21 is basically a good GRASS bull. In poorer forage as on western dryland ranches where basically the cattle graze on whatever is available and there is little or no work done by the rancher to improve vast areas of rangeland I think he would probably work to find whatever forage he could find as Herefords are noted for. But your comment reminds me of the question of what is the difference between a rancher and a farmer (other than the type hat they wear!). I see myself as a farmer. Maybe mostly from my row crop, corn/bean/etc based day job. As I get into cattle I STILL see myself more as a farmer, in this case a GRASS farmer compared to a row crop farmer. Part of this is my location in a moist north central climate area with smaller average farm size than the huge western or southwestern ranches. In my case MUCH smaller. I tend to look at grass in some ways as I look at a corn crop - what can I do to get more from an acre at the same or lower cost per unit??? So I guess other than the normal drier years (when I will use wrapped hay bales as a backup in a sacrifice pasture), as a grass farmer I don't want to see my bull or cattle having to scrounge for forage. I see my job to manage my grass so they always have enough to do their job which is growing calves and quality beef as efficiently as possible. With the recent heat and humidity, even in Wisconsin, I opened up one of my poorer pastures to them to graze on Saturday 7/31 so they would have access to the full cooler woods in the background rather than just the small patch of trees in their previous pasture. This is a poorer rocky hillside and about as lean a grass as I want to put my herd into. So I think T-21 and about any other Hereford would be just fine in this grass. [img]http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab336/SRBeef/IMG_1643_Movedcowsto3withlessgrasstohaveaccesstocoolerwoods073110.jpg[/img] I do appreciate your comments about breeding back to granddaughters. With our discussion on linebreeding I do think I will give this a try. Just can't go daughters AND granddaughters, need to skip one generation if I understand correctly. Here is an interesting commentary on linebreeding Herefords you may have seen before: [url]http://www.witherspoonsherefords.com/WNHWEB11.HTM[/url] FWIW. Jim edit: interesting to compare my photos with BRG excellent "Red Cattle" pictures in another post. really shows the difference between western wide-open spaces ranching compared to my smaller scale grass farming. One is not better or worse than the other, they are just different. Vive la difference! [/QUOTE]
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