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<blockquote data-quote="milkmaid" data-source="post: 166971" data-attributes="member: 852"><p>Both my vets - main and alternate/expensive one - have a solid vaccine program. My main vet does vaccinate all his own animals (runs 40+ "mama cows") and I have had many vaccine talks with him. So chalk that up as two "yes" votes. Or actually three yes-votes, as there's two vets over at the expensive clinic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't ask if the calf itself was vaccinated before purchase. I asked if the dams - mothers - of those bottle calves you buy have been vaccinated. Betchya they have. Most dairies have a good vaccine program - for a reason. Killed vaccine at dry-off, and/or modified-live a month after calving.</p><p></p><p>As to the blackleg - I'm not fond of second-hand stories. Things tend to change in the telling. Sure the neighbors may have vaccinated, but did they vaccinate <em>those </em>animals? and when did the animals come down with blackleg in relation to the time the vaccine was given - and who made the diagnosis? I've seen oldtimers (no offense intended, guys!) make some awfully strange diagnosis-es. Stuff that just does not make sense - you want a story, I've got one. LOL. And who told you the animals had blackleg - and did your neighbors blame it on the vaccine they gave?</p><p></p><p>Vaccines don't work on a stressed animal, and if a person doesn't follow the label directions such as dosage and re-vaccination within a set time-frame, they aren't going to work. Can't go blaming a vaccine for that stuff. And as I've said - most clostridial vaccines are KILLED. Blackleg is a clostridium - and a killed vaccine is not going to cause any disease. Sorry to burst that bubble.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it wasn't me. The "bottle" part of "bottle calf" only means that they're fed off a bottle - but then you know that. Does not mean they don't get colostrum from their mothers. Does not mean - at least on a dairy - that they are always fed milk replacer. My boss's calves all get "real" milk for several months. Not much different than if they were raised on a cow.</p><p></p><p>I'm thinking that <em>no</em>-the immunity they receive from the colostrum does not last only 24 hours while it's in their system as you seem to imply. Rather, I'm thinking the immunity they get during the first day(s?) of life lasts them until ~2 months of age when their own immune system has.....whoa, sounds like a <em>good </em>question for my vet, LOL. I'll get back with you on that tomorrow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milkmaid, post: 166971, member: 852"] Both my vets - main and alternate/expensive one - have a solid vaccine program. My main vet does vaccinate all his own animals (runs 40+ "mama cows") and I have had many vaccine talks with him. So chalk that up as two "yes" votes. Or actually three yes-votes, as there's two vets over at the expensive clinic. I didn't ask if the calf itself was vaccinated before purchase. I asked if the dams - mothers - of those bottle calves you buy have been vaccinated. Betchya they have. Most dairies have a good vaccine program - for a reason. Killed vaccine at dry-off, and/or modified-live a month after calving. As to the blackleg - I'm not fond of second-hand stories. Things tend to change in the telling. Sure the neighbors may have vaccinated, but did they vaccinate [i]those [/i]animals? and when did the animals come down with blackleg in relation to the time the vaccine was given - and who made the diagnosis? I've seen oldtimers (no offense intended, guys!) make some awfully strange diagnosis-es. Stuff that just does not make sense - you want a story, I've got one. LOL. And who told you the animals had blackleg - and did your neighbors blame it on the vaccine they gave? Vaccines don't work on a stressed animal, and if a person doesn't follow the label directions such as dosage and re-vaccination within a set time-frame, they aren't going to work. Can't go blaming a vaccine for that stuff. And as I've said - most clostridial vaccines are KILLED. Blackleg is a clostridium - and a killed vaccine is not going to cause any disease. Sorry to burst that bubble. No it wasn't me. The "bottle" part of "bottle calf" only means that they're fed off a bottle - but then you know that. Does not mean they don't get colostrum from their mothers. Does not mean - at least on a dairy - that they are always fed milk replacer. My boss's calves all get "real" milk for several months. Not much different than if they were raised on a cow. I'm thinking that [i]no[/i]-the immunity they receive from the colostrum does not last only 24 hours while it's in their system as you seem to imply. Rather, I'm thinking the immunity they get during the first day(s?) of life lasts them until ~2 months of age when their own immune system has.....whoa, sounds like a [i]good [/i]question for my vet, LOL. I'll get back with you on that tomorrow. [/QUOTE]
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