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<blockquote data-quote="Idaman" data-source="post: 752326" data-attributes="member: 14119"><p>Hereford.US - You are exactly correct in your assertion that the study was primarily for other traits, mostly about dwarf carriers and other potential genetic defects. I know for positive that the Baca lines were carriers as they came from the Baca Grant Ranch at Creston. We used their bulls in the maybe late 40s and they produced dwarfs for us.</p><p></p><p>To my recollection the Brae Ardens were used the most extensively by other breeders. Next came the Prospectors, Ourays, Royals, and Tarringtons in roughly that order. I don't know if the other lines were used "outside" or not. They were all horribly ugly cattle. We all kept trying to find one that we could take home but most people passed. Whoever picked the foundation cattle sure never picked a good looking one in the whole bunch. There is a possibility that they weren't given open access to the foundation herds.</p><p></p><p>One line was reportedly terminated when the fourth generation bulls lost their testicles. I have mentioned this before in regard to line and inbreeding eliminating a defect. The whole purpose of the breeder is not to select around these traits but to let them run to their natural conclusion and that more often than not is a lethal flaw that completely eliminates that line.</p><p></p><p>Please share your impressions with us of the work at Hesperus. I was never there but knew some of the people involved. I sure knew of the cattle and fed some on our bull test. CSU also had another herd of more conventional cattle up at Ft. Collins. I believe that they were initiated more from donated cattle and semen than the Hesperus cattle. A bull by the name of The Ram was purchased from there that went to Westciffe for herd bull duties.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Idaman, post: 752326, member: 14119"] Hereford.US - You are exactly correct in your assertion that the study was primarily for other traits, mostly about dwarf carriers and other potential genetic defects. I know for positive that the Baca lines were carriers as they came from the Baca Grant Ranch at Creston. We used their bulls in the maybe late 40s and they produced dwarfs for us. To my recollection the Brae Ardens were used the most extensively by other breeders. Next came the Prospectors, Ourays, Royals, and Tarringtons in roughly that order. I don't know if the other lines were used "outside" or not. They were all horribly ugly cattle. We all kept trying to find one that we could take home but most people passed. Whoever picked the foundation cattle sure never picked a good looking one in the whole bunch. There is a possibility that they weren't given open access to the foundation herds. One line was reportedly terminated when the fourth generation bulls lost their testicles. I have mentioned this before in regard to line and inbreeding eliminating a defect. The whole purpose of the breeder is not to select around these traits but to let them run to their natural conclusion and that more often than not is a lethal flaw that completely eliminates that line. Please share your impressions with us of the work at Hesperus. I was never there but knew some of the people involved. I sure knew of the cattle and fed some on our bull test. CSU also had another herd of more conventional cattle up at Ft. Collins. I believe that they were initiated more from donated cattle and semen than the Hesperus cattle. A bull by the name of The Ram was purchased from there that went to Westciffe for herd bull duties. [/QUOTE]
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