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<blockquote data-quote="Hereford76" data-source="post: 738103" data-attributes="member: 7000"><p>i quit - everytime i speak about certain issues they get deleted.</p><p></p><p>ok - here it is with out all the cussing. i want it on these boards cause i probably sound strictly like a purist without it</p><p></p><p>Hereford76 wrote:</p><p>Herefords.US wrote:</p><p>Those, like LFF and Hereford76, who already owned the cattle have to follow their own conscience. If I already owned 23D descendants, I would probably continue to push the influence out through generational turnover...and be certain that I didn't double up the influence through the bulls I used....and accept the fact that there's going to be a segment of potential customers who aren't going to be interested in their production. But that's not any different than choosing to raise horned Herefords, Polled herefords, or Herefords in general. There are a number of potential customers that won't be interested because they have horns...or they don't have horns...or they aren't black!</p><p>George</p><p></p><p>to me there is a difference that unless you had the cattle when it originally became an issue a person will not understand. i totally get brandonm22 and lff thoughts on it and don't think i didn't use the same rationing EXPLAINING the cattle. and you are right george with the advice you were given, have given, or would give on the matter. if you can choose not to deal with the issue don't and i think brandon is right, another generation goes by and most won't even have a clue or a reason to care.</p><p></p><p>the difference is i personally gave the AHA and whats his name genetecist the bloodwork for the dna test we now have out of a commercial angus customer of mine that at the time had 17 smokey calves out of "angus" cows that had been exposed to 12 of my bulls, two holden bulls and another that i will not mention. and i was furious over the fact that no one else would. mr schaefer and oxly or a list of others couldn't - bs more likely wouldn't and i wonder why and then what disperse like the rest of the chicken <em>poops</em>. here i am a guy on a place that has never sold a <em>darn</em> diluter but i provide the <em>gentlemen</em> that sold all the dirty dilutin cattle that caused the whole problem in the first place a tool to get out of it and yes - the aha would have got the blood somewhere else but outifits like mine are the ones that take it in the shorts for the team or sell off herds cause i can't sell a bull because duncan, ruehm, oxley, stuber, and list goes on that created a marketing problem. sure we got it licked now cause no one should ever get a smokey calf again - that don't mean the ranchers in my backyard will ever FORGET the fact that i used a home raised son of summit and even tho i tested the bull breeding him to 30 black cows to prove him clean before i ever sold a bull out of him. but not many actually went through all that now did they and the people that look at raising the titan cattle the other way have the luxury of taking it for granted. its been a good time since i have let this get too me - but maybe you can understand the actions i took and the reason i no longer have a use for the cattle and why it is an issue to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hereford76, post: 738103, member: 7000"] i quit - everytime i speak about certain issues they get deleted. ok - here it is with out all the cussing. i want it on these boards cause i probably sound strictly like a purist without it Hereford76 wrote: Herefords.US wrote: Those, like LFF and Hereford76, who already owned the cattle have to follow their own conscience. If I already owned 23D descendants, I would probably continue to push the influence out through generational turnover...and be certain that I didn't double up the influence through the bulls I used....and accept the fact that there's going to be a segment of potential customers who aren't going to be interested in their production. But that's not any different than choosing to raise horned Herefords, Polled herefords, or Herefords in general. There are a number of potential customers that won't be interested because they have horns...or they don't have horns...or they aren't black! George to me there is a difference that unless you had the cattle when it originally became an issue a person will not understand. i totally get brandonm22 and lff thoughts on it and don't think i didn't use the same rationing EXPLAINING the cattle. and you are right george with the advice you were given, have given, or would give on the matter. if you can choose not to deal with the issue don't and i think brandon is right, another generation goes by and most won't even have a clue or a reason to care. the difference is i personally gave the AHA and whats his name genetecist the bloodwork for the dna test we now have out of a commercial angus customer of mine that at the time had 17 smokey calves out of "angus" cows that had been exposed to 12 of my bulls, two holden bulls and another that i will not mention. and i was furious over the fact that no one else would. mr schaefer and oxly or a list of others couldn't - bs more likely wouldn't and i wonder why and then what disperse like the rest of the chicken [i]poops[/i]. here i am a guy on a place that has never sold a [i]darn[/i] diluter but i provide the [i]gentlemen[/i] that sold all the dirty dilutin cattle that caused the whole problem in the first place a tool to get out of it and yes - the aha would have got the blood somewhere else but outifits like mine are the ones that take it in the shorts for the team or sell off herds cause i can't sell a bull because duncan, ruehm, oxley, stuber, and list goes on that created a marketing problem. sure we got it licked now cause no one should ever get a smokey calf again - that don't mean the ranchers in my backyard will ever FORGET the fact that i used a home raised son of summit and even tho i tested the bull breeding him to 30 black cows to prove him clean before i ever sold a bull out of him. but not many actually went through all that now did they and the people that look at raising the titan cattle the other way have the luxury of taking it for granted. its been a good time since i have let this get too me - but maybe you can understand the actions i took and the reason i no longer have a use for the cattle and why it is an issue to me. [/QUOTE]
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